Do you HATE Telemarketers

<FONT COLOR="e87400">Well some of you folks may actually use telemarketing so sorry if I am offending you here but I could'nt do it, I really hate telemarketers calling my home when I am trying to rest espically being a night worker. It sucks when you have to turn your damn phones off. I know I could just have an unlisted number but i like to be listed. I could also get put on the Do Not Call List but I have'nt gotten to it yet. Looks like this site below will do it for me.

For those of you who hate these ppl calling you here's the site with all kinds of good info on how to stop it in your own home.

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Its not the calls to my home that are a problem. I get 5 times more telemarketers on on my business lines then I ever get at home! I try to be polite though, for they are just doing their job. Part of the problem is I have four phone lines for my business........sometimes I get calls several times from the same organization......now....THAT is annoying.



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Mike Hughes
Everclear
Souderton, PA

<FONT COLOR="e87400">I know what you mean Mike,, espically during Advertising season. Then every advertising biz from here to the hills calls,, You ought to read that article, according to it, they can be fined heavily if they call you on 2 different lines at the same time.

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Cody I agree with you totally about telemarketers, and Mike is right they are only doing their job.

Now I have found a very good way to end most calls, when you get one tell them your talking to another telemarketer on the other line and to give you their phone number and you will call back short.

They will not give you any number but will quickly hang up and remove your name from the list.

Works 85% of the time too.

Now at times I love being morbid so as soon as they open their mouth I say I am in the casket business and would you like to come in for a fitting!!

Boy do they hang up even faster

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

I got a call just the other night. I asked the guy who would he like to speak to.. he said the man of the house. I asked him who might that be? And of course he didn't know it was just the telephone number he called. That didn't slow him down a bit. I told him if he didn't know the persons name, why should I talk to him. As the conversation went on, I ended up getting kinda ugly and he threaten to hang uo on ME! I then asked him would he promise? That didn't slow him much. But eventually he did get enough and hung up.

Normally, I am a nice person. But these kind of calls ruffles my feathers.

My wife also said that they are just doing their jobs, which is true. She must be much nicer than I.

Those calls are annoying. I have tried this... ask them who would they like to speak to.. whomever they ask for, tell them they just passed away last night... This sounds terrible, but the call won't last long.

Man that sounded bad!


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Sounds to me you guys need to talk with your spouses because they don’t just get your numbers from telephone listings. You or your spouses are filling out contest applications or buying crap from people and giving them your numbers. They are selling your number as suckers list, meaning you are a sure thing and you will buy anything. I get approached to purchase these lists on occasion thru the people I buy numbers from. Supposedly they are the hottest numbers to have because these people have been known to buy over the phone.


I do telemarketing and one time my girls kept calling a gentleman that had been in a accident. The man was sleeping and we had been calling him constantly trying to get thru. They had not answered the phone but we would call about three or four times during the day. The man was bed-ridden ands his wife worked all day. She would get home and try and call us back but we were closed and gone for the day. One day the wife got us and was relived to get us on the phone. She asked my gals to take her off our list and never call again. My girls apologized and told her we were sorry and that they did not realize this was a residence.

I was sold the listing as a restaurant listing. I double-check the number from the database we had purchased and called the women back to give her and apology. I got to talk with her and she gave me the scoop on her husband. She shared with me about the thousand of dollars she had spent on equipment and care. she also shared with me that she never realized how many folks call her during the day trying to sell her crap. I had informed her I had bought her number from a company that distributes her number to hundreds of tele marketing companies across the country. I also told her she was on a preferred list. Meaning she was a sucker for a sale. Came to realize the reason she had been sold as a sucker because her husband had been buying his equipment over the phone thru the web and catalog. I informed her if she changed her number to never give it to any she buys something from.

Yes I did sell her……………


Believe or not I always tell telemarketers thank you, I’m not interested and hang up.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

Well Ron this is one time I disagree with you, but only in respects to talking to my wife about putting our names on things.

We NEVER do stuff like that, in fact till I went into business we never listed our phone number or names, nor do we give out our home address.

All our vehicles, check books etc. are listed with the Post Office Box. I could not prove where I live since we have nothing on us with the home address.

I don't even get mail here, send it to the house and I will be lucky if it gets forwarded to the PO Box.

Never would I buy off one of those sleazy companies. (not saying yours is, I know better then that)

So guys let me tell you other ways they get some personal information about your.

In Calif. it is the law that in order to get a drivers license you must give them your S.S. number, the ruse is to check on dead beat dads owing child support. The truth is BIG BROTEHR keepin tabs on you.

Dept. of motor vehicles sell list.
Credit Card companies sell list.
Department stores sell list.
Banks, Credit Unions and Savings and Loans.
Most but not all businesses can buy them and share with others.
The credit reporting agencies sell them too even if they deny it.
Phone companies too.

I also don't trust the web, been screwed before and it won't happen again. There is NO such thing as SECURE here.

Hey Ron how much do you charge for one of those list you have?????????????????????????????

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

Believe or not I always tell telemarketers thank you, I’m not interested and hang up.


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Me too. Since it is mostly on my business line, I always remain professional.(almost always) My standard line is "I appreciate your call, but we are not interested....have a good day." I probably should start telling them to put me on the no call list, but what good is that? Its only for each individual caller (company).....

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Mike Hughes
Everclear
Souderton, PA

i hate telemarketer"s HATE HATE HATE 'EMMMMMM

when they call it's always around super time or when you are on the "throne" .kids answer and it sounds like a business call and they say hang -on.....
then they bring in the cordless phone and GOOD GRIEVE
get a freckin life man im trying to take a dooo here.
that get's them everytime........

one time this maniac called and wanted to sell this stupid septic helper crap........and as always i was rude i said listen to this man KAPLONKKK then FLUSHAROO
THE AWESOME SOUND OF THE TOILET BEING WATERED DOWN....
did that sound like i need your helper......he has never called back....poor guy...

no im not on a "sucker list" have no idea how they get my ## i dont even have it listed ......and i [we] [wife] does'nt give it out for anything.........

i dont care if thats there job or not. Dont dail my frecken # if i want your product or service i will call you....
i think they are all perverts and cant find a real job.

Ron this is in no way towards you, if it sounds that way please forgive me.....the way you run your business is your problem...lol

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Guys you never join a shoppers club at your local groceries store. You never belong to sam’s club or Costco. Never filled out the information at the auto parts store for your warranties. You never bought life insurance. Never joined and auto club. You never signed up to have automatic payments withdrawn from your bank account. These are a few listings I can buy from my mail-listing vendors. I usually don’t buy them because I don’t telephone residential customers. I only do commercial telemarketing.


Hey I don’t want to tell everyone they are suckers, these are special list for people that buy excessively. They do exist I don’t care if you guys think they don’t. Statistical information is kept on these folks. These are people that can’t say no. I was just trying to point out that if you are a new business even you number is on a new business listing. if you where a new homebuyer your name is on a list that you are a new homeowner. No one here has gotten that call shortly after they purchased their new house congratulating them on their new home purchase. How would you like to have our new blinds in your new home? It can be just about anything. Any one who has purchased a new house has probably had that call. Well guess what that was from the title companies they sold the information to a listing house.


Guys you took my post wrong. I was just trying to show you that its pretty tough to cut this down. My wife and I include no numbers on anything we fill out. We have reduced it tremendously.


Never really suggested that you guys where suckers just that there are companies that cross references lists and if your number shows up more than three our four times your number becomes more valuable.

Record clubs are the number ones and sweepstakes are the number two things that get your name generated to other companies. I in my lifetime am guilty of filling those two out.


Maybe you have never filled any of these out I know I learned long ago. Just my advices take it or leave it.


Now you guys are going to tell me you never solicited anyone on the phone. Come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Bs if you never called a new customer on the phone then I need to get your marketing program. Remember this is telemarketing. Do you think just because you sit down if front of a phone and dial from a list that gives you details about the companies that this is not telemarketing? Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all cold call, don’t we??????????????????????????????????????


Because, I chose to buy a list to know information about my potential customer, this means I’m different than you. I don’t think so; I think it means I have people in the field I need to generate leads too.

We all cold call in some way or another, you don’t think people get tired of all forms of advertising. Door hangers, flyers, annoying faxes waisting paper, mailers, letters, brochures, business cards that get thrown in the garbage. I realize that we are talking about our homes. I also realize that if I waited for people to call me I would not have the business I have today. Oh well sorry to insult some and glad to enlighten others. I believe the folks that respect that telemarketers are the folks who realize that they to would like the same respect when a customer is not interested.

I do plan on calling my usual 25 calls tomorrow. And I will give one away tomorrow as well.(bigboy)

We can start tallying the things I do that others don’t. I never realized individuals in business could be so blind. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh welllllllllllllllllllllllllll






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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

[This message has been edited by Ron Marshal (edited February 19, 2001).]

Ron,

I don't think any of us condemn you because you do buy list, as you said it is part of doing business, cold calling etc.

Like Dan S. said, they always call at the wrong times, PHEW

When we do have to fill out applications we always put the follow in<FONT size="5"><FONT COLOR="Red">Red Ink, you do not have our permission to sale, give or in anyway allow our name to be used for any type of marketing.</FONT c></FONT s>

Auto club claims they don't sale list, No grocery store clubs ever. Heck I don't even use coupons very much but then most are for brands we don't use. We are finicky about brands.

TO all but Ron since I do know things about him, and this is a good point of you look at it from his angel.

What is telemarketing? It is using the phone to market a product, be it some silly gizmo to one of us calling a prospect and selling a roof cleaning, driveway cleaning, deck job or any number of things we do with our pressure washing equipment.

I make calls to follow up on bids, I am sure many of you do to, well that is telemarketing in the smallest form but still it is using the phone to market our business.

Does it work, I am not the one to say yes or no as I don't cold call with it, I only follow up on face to face meetings using the phone unless I get a call to give an estimate.



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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

<FONT COLOR="e87400">Hrmmm this has taken an evil twist. My original post was addressed to my home and to my personal preference. I HATE TELEMARKETERS. Reason.. Well for ages I have received many calls throughout the day and I am a day sleeper, so it really sucks. I have taken as many as 15 TM calls 1 one day, I've had calls on Sunday at 8:30pm. They've driven me crazy & no I don't give out my number easily, & yes I do check the box where it says "Do Not Sell".

Where do they come from,, for me it's mostly financial. I have a huge pile dept,, Home mortgage, vehicles, equipment, creditcards as do most. These are some of the primary compilations of list. Then there are the local calls to my home from Sears, Pesticide companies, siding companies etc,, these ppl DO just PU the phone book and start calling, or may they have one of those nice CD ROMs with the reverse directory. In any event, I have been for a while telling them to put me on their "Do Not Call" list & it's been helping.

With the Web-site that I had listed above I learned that I can "make" them send me a copy of their Do Not Call list policies so I have been. I also list who the companies are so that if they call me again I can pursue legal recourse to receive $500 from them. I'd love to get an extra $500 for them calling, that'd be a Tele-marketer worth listening too!

As far as Business Telemarketing,, well yes it's a gray area, I do not do mass telemarketing, i do Customer Contact on the Phone (keep in mind I only do Commercial work). Call me crazy but I really do believe that there is a difference. When I call a customer I make damn sure that I do not present myself in a pushy manner. Often I think the customer feels like they had called me, I do not apply pressure of any sorts to the phoned prospects. That comes later, NEVER on a first meeting Here's how I define the 2

Tele-Marketing is (I feel) a Totally canned generic sales pitch, geared toward "High Pressure" sales. Blowing though scripted presentation never taking a breath or allowing to other end of the line to get in his or her 2 cents worth. This procedure is a method used to blast through the week consumers.

Customer Contact is a sales uncanned (No script, no canned auto responses) pitch geared toward a specific customer with information gathered in advance about the customer s property used to produce a meeting, appointment, or proposal to sell.

I know some will disagree and say "Well you are just saying that to justify what you do" well you may be right but …… I have never had a customer hang up on me or become negative, in fact I think that every company I have every called I was able to get the quote through. Whether it was though obtaining an address from the customer to mail it to or through a member of the firm saying "send it on" or whatever. I have always had positive contact with most all the customers that I have called.

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Cody, you should receive a professional response you are dealing with professionals. That is exactly the reason I treat the folk the way I would like to be treated. You don’t think those property managers ever had to call some potential client out of the blue??????

I’m glad you see my side of this situation, or rather you have realized that in some form we all do this. Yes your right it’s not residential. I to feel that this is a very different ball game, I would never at this time call homes. However, I will not swear to that.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

<FONT COLOR="Blue">Ron,seen my name again thought I would reply,,,,these are your words not mine.

Sounds to me you guys need to talk with your spouses because they don’t just get your numbers from telephone listings. They are selling your number as suckers list, meaning you are a sure thing and you will buy anything.I do telemarketing and one time my girls kept calling a gentleman that had been in a accident. The man was sleeping and we had been calling him constantly trying to get thru.The man was bed-ridden ands his wife worked all day. She would get home and try and call us back but we were closed and gone for the day. One day the wife got us and was relived to get us on the phone. I also told her she was on a preferred list. Meaning she was a sucker for a sale.Hey I don’t want to tell everyone they are suckers, these are special list for people that buy excessively. They do exist I don’t care if you guys think they don’t. Statistical information is kept on these folks. These are people that can’t say no . I was just trying to show you that its pretty tough to cut this down. My wife and I include no numbers on anything we fill out. We have reduced it tremendously.if your number shows up more than three our four times your number becomes more valuable.We all cold call in some way or another, you don’t think people get tired of all forms of advertising. Door hangers, flyers, annoying faxes waisting paper, mailers, letters, brochures, business cards that get thrown in the garbage.I do plan on calling my usual 25 calls tomorrow. And I will give one away tomorrow as well.(bigboy).We can start tallying the things I do that others don’t. I never realized individuals in business could be so blind. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh welllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

.....these are my words.....

If I had to call someone on the phone to get their business I do not want it.If I cann't look you eyeball to eyeball as to see what your like as in liking to do business with you I don't want your business.If I just called anybody and made the sale and showed up to meet you how do I know you may be a rapeist or drug dealer.If someone calls me as in wanting to do business with me I do NOT take their bussiness off the phone.I tell them I will come by and talk with them and go from there but before I go by to talk I check to see where its at and alittle about the account before I stop to meet you eyeball to eyeball.I may NOT even stop to talk to you and if you call back as in wanting to no why,I'll tell you am so tied up right now and cann't get to it but know another p/w that may be able to do it.The # I give to them is #'s like yours Ron,I think I should be edacuted enough in these business to help my fellow p/w that cann't get business the modern way and still having to give business away.

You try to sale the ideal the customor is under educated in his wants plus needing more money to tell him so.

I like saleing agaist your type man you make it so dang easy on me that I laugh at your ways man,keep it up.""Here's"" one drop out thats laughing at your education man it sinks and everybody is telling you so,keep it up man its funny to me as to see someone that says he's educated more then me but haviny to beg on the phone and give business away,keep it up I like a good laugh

,I like replying to my name,keep it up.


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Ron- I totally disagree with what your saying....
Glenn

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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."

Bigboy,

I’m certain you have a great method of selling. I have many mouths to feed and need more original ways to attract customers. I can’t rely on people calling me its not enough. Granted my phone rings with more call a day than most I’m sure of that. I’m not ashamed to admit I need more calls, the more the merrier.


I do spend lots of money educating customers and some of my competitors love it. They do take full advantage of it. That’s ok; it’s the price I pay to do business.

What you don’t understand bigboy is that giving jobs away at the right time saves me dollars. I don’t need to go back and visit with someone that has seen my services. They know what I offer and if they need it they will buy if they don’t at least I wont be wasting time. If people where as straight forward in my world as you claim they are in yours then yes I would not need a marketing program. I would not need educational manuals for customers or employees. There would be no pressure washers damaging people’s properties. This is not my world and some day I would love to move to a place where you say this exists. For know I’m stuck in the big city and these are decisions I need to make. Yeah I tease you a little to get a reaction, maybe that’s wrong and I should stop because I can see you will never see my side.

If we polled this concept I afraid you might be the looser. This concept of marketing I have is age old and many people have done it and many others will try it. I can see you wont change my ways and I wont change yours. It certainly doesn’t mean we can’t be friends. I’m sure your best friend might not drink the same brewskiez as you or like the same ball club, but man you can still be friends. Man, come on, we can still have different ideal and get along; this bb is big enough for the both of us isn’t it.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

Glenn,
you also cold call no one like bigboy, never????????????????

Walking in on someone is just as bad as calling on the phone. I don’t care what you think; I have had more bad receptions going to see someone with out and appointment than calling them on the phone to get one. Most folks around here prefer you have and appointment. You have never put and annoying flyer on ones door step? Never knocked on a neighbors door out of the blue and asked if they needed there deck cleaned.


Glenn, give me a reasons why you disagree rather than just saying I disagree. Substance man, substance man, I have never met so many people with all the work they can handle, interesting that these rural areas need no work nor do they need to look for it. They need to call no one, maybe this is why wal-mart made there heart of there business in rural areas when they first started. Maybe I have been wasting time, any property by you bigboy or glenn.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

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I thought we where freinds,,where did you see that I wasn't,,told ya I thought you was funny I like funny people.It just tickles me to see you haveta beg man,if I was close to ya I would help you get business the easy way even tho theres more rabbits there then here is here.....yel love them and leave them,thats your type.
I had a real good salesmanager but I had to train him my way as to all the business we have gotten for the company we worked for.To prove my point with him we both buildit a route for a saleman in 30 days.They give me the ok to do it my way,I buildit my own route in just one day without the phone.
I agree you can gin more calls in a day then I could even think about covering that much area,as the reason you need more money to cover your cost as in the reason you call a lowballer a lowballer.

Your the big rabbit that finds the hole and send your little rabbits out to watch over that hole,I like tender rabbits keep it up man its easy.I can kill more of those tender rabbits in one day if I'm rabbit hunting then you can in ?????days,months??,your bullits ant close enuff man.

..(If we polled this concept I afraid you might be the looser....)

Thats ok Ron,I've been a looooser all my life why change now.Its the challage I like when your a loser man watch out b/c he may shoot in any hole just to see if theres any tender rabbits in there.

Heck Ron I treat people around here just'y like I treat you and they still be my freinds even tho I tell them to kiss where I cann't,you just cann't see the grin on my face.

The way I see it is, get the business anyway you can get it if you want it....A shotgun can cover more area and it has a good chance of missing as in a clean kill.Then again if your good with a 22 those tender rabbits are easy to pick off one by one cuz big rabbit out looking for another hole for his little rabbits.

I think your doing ok Ron for as much education you have man.If you will listen to a loser you may learn something as to keep your little rabbits in the holes without getting shoot with a 22,,I rabbit hunt with a 22 man never did like the kick the shotgun gives or worse yet just wound and here it hallower.

I can stand it,its funny

,,I would say the same things if we where fishing in the same boat mite or will at times throw your fish back in if its bigger then mine and tell you it just dropped out of my hands and it wasn't as big as mine plus you'll never prove to others it was if you ask me in front of them but will tell later you did.I'm a gentlman tho when it comes to hunting tender rabbits in your hole,I aim between the eyes with a 22 for a clean kill and I can hear big rabbit hallow over the hill as a another hole to hunt in.

O no don't tell me you Deer hunt with a bow

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Ron- What your saying still doesn't make any sense....Just don't agree.
Glenn

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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."

hey bigboy..... i hunt with a bow and i bet ya if some day we get together i will out shoot you with your gun.........

TELEMARKETERS STILL SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!

and so does "cold calling"....
i dont and wont do either,,,,,,,
but i will let Ron stand 50 paces with an apple on his head and i bet ya i could shoot it off &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with an arrow and not even touch his forehead......

I still think that ALL telemarketers are perverts and need to find a real job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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