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Ron,
If you think the PWNA is truly a non profit organization your wrong. Many of the top people own companies and use the PWNA to their benefit. Just take a look at everyone on the board. More power to them. But my opinion is, if that benefit was not there for them they would not be there.
Glenn,
One of the main problems about the PWNA is the story you tell is the same story we hear from many. The defense of that complaint is pushed off on to the other members not taking responsibility. Well I think that is wrong. If an organization is not willing to take responsibility for there faults and has a real big problem responding to current and potential new members.
That is a basic fundamental problem that should be handled without a problem from an organization with 8 to 10 years behind them.
I am also frustrated and feel that the concept is there yet nothing happens. Truthfully the benefits I hear people say the get from the PWNA are limited to communication with other contractors.
Here is my break down. 250.00 per year plus close to a 1000 per visit to the conferences give or take a few hundred depending on location, food, and car rental. Bla bla bla. So potentially 2000.00 per year give or take a few hundred plus or minus. Which pays for a conversation with others 2 times a year.
Powerwash.net along with a few others provides the same concept for free everyday in almost real time. I think this is why so many have the same complaints. I feel that if you start and grow an organization that has 8 to 10 years behind it and can't provide more, than an Internet bbs there is a problem.
I may be wrong but the true benefits go to the higher up. They have access the many potential customers. They are perceived as the trusted elite and members and non-members will purchase from them. While I feel that we should support our peers. There seems to be a conflict of interest. There has to be a change there before a change will happen below.
This situation may or may not have been planned from the begging. But it is a problem. This may offend some but the facts are visible. I am certainly not pointing fingers. But look at the whole picture. Review the board members and then review what type of business they are in. This will range from Insurance people, distributors and franchisers to a few contractors.
The people that complain all have the same story, so obviously this is not a few trying to cause trouble. There are many that say nothing. It is very hard for me to voice my opinion here. The last thing I want is people to think I am against or bashing the PWNA. I am voicing my opinion on a public forum in hopes the people who can truly make a difference will read the opinion from their members and potential members.
I honestly feel that we should support the board members personal companies for their help. But they can't forget the main purpose of there spot on the board. Why should they be rewarded for organizing a structure to keep money flowing to their independent businesses? If they benefit financially on the side, they should give even more.
After 8 to 10 years there should be more benefits than a place to meet 2 times a year. It is not necessarily the member’s responsibility to grow the PWNA. It is the responsibility of the board with the help of the members.
The cost is not the problem. It is the lack of support and benefits. Members pay, get disappointed and do not renew. If they had a true reason to stay they would. This would increase revenue, which would benefit the PWNA in many ways. More money = more benefit which = more members which = more money. It is a circle that should grow at a rapid pass after a few years. Not become somewhat stationary after 8 to 10 years.
I voice this opinion to be challenged. A good challenge can uncover a problem or prove that there isn't one. Yet ultimately improve something. Until the changes are made at the top, you will have a hard time convincing the lower end of the spectrum to do things to help. Especially most join to get help and benefits for their own company.
At this point I would love to have people reward my hard work and time, by sending me 2000.00 per year. For this wonderful opportunity of communication we provide right here day in and day out. SOUNDS PRETTY SELFISH DOESN"T IT.
My main point is I feel that the founders of the PWNA had a wonderful idea and are the main reason this board is on the net. HEY GREAT IDEA. That idea has spawned many avenues of communication for all of us.
But have they gotten of track, are they forgetting the original idea of this whole thing. Has money become an issue?????. I don’t have an answer and I personally do not know what to do to improve the situation. But in defenses of the little old members. We did not come up with the idea; we were just lured in by the ideas and promises. So is it our responsibility. (Yes) to voice our opinions to get the people who have started and the people who have chosen to be elected to the board to make it better.
If incite from members and potential members isn’t taken to heart and help to guide the PWNA in the right direction then the board members who don’t agree should move on.
Or is the limelight too much to pass on, considering the potential personal gain. If nobody says anything nothing will change. If you wish to be a part of the structure, you are asking for that responsibility. Step up to the plate and make a difference or get lost. Stop saying it is the member’s responsibility. The members will give when they get from the people who chose to run the program.
Bottom line, great idea. Make members want to stay and put up what you say that draws new members. If you choose to be in position to take the heat, deal with it and do the things it takes to make the changes you’re paying members request.
People join organization for one reason. Benefiting their situation, period. I joined the PWNA because I believed what they said they had to offer. I believed what they said the future had to offer. I saw neither. I join the Chamber because I believed what the said they had to offer and I see it. Again if you start something you put yourself in a situation to deliver, if you don’t, can’t or decide to take more than you give and are not willing to do what it takes to make a change. I don’t want to hear you cry. I want what I was promised or you got to go or I got to go.
Remember the majority, who join an organization. Join for the sole purpose of benefiting from being part of a large group. If they feel that they have wasted their money, they will not stay. You can’t blame them, you have to blame the organization. They made all the promises to get you to join. If the organization does not put up what they say, they must take responsibility. Give what you promise and you will retain. Give what you promise and you will grow. Give what you promise you will get it back 10 fold. How you ask. Members will then be willing to take the time to give back.
So I don’t want to hear the PWNA is not what it should be because the members don’t get involved. Give them a reason. You said you would before they joined!!!!!
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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
Ron,
If you think the PWNA is truly a non profit organization your wrong. Many of the top people own companies and use the PWNA to their benefit. Just take a look at everyone on the board. More power to them. But my opinion is, if that benefit was not there for them they would not be there.
Glenn,
One of the main problems about the PWNA is the story you tell is the same story we hear from many. The defense of that complaint is pushed off on to the other members not taking responsibility. Well I think that is wrong. If an organization is not willing to take responsibility for there faults and has a real big problem responding to current and potential new members.
That is a basic fundamental problem that should be handled without a problem from an organization with 8 to 10 years behind them.
I am also frustrated and feel that the concept is there yet nothing happens. Truthfully the benefits I hear people say the get from the PWNA are limited to communication with other contractors.
Here is my break down. 250.00 per year plus close to a 1000 per visit to the conferences give or take a few hundred depending on location, food, and car rental. Bla bla bla. So potentially 2000.00 per year give or take a few hundred plus or minus. Which pays for a conversation with others 2 times a year.
Powerwash.net along with a few others provides the same concept for free everyday in almost real time. I think this is why so many have the same complaints. I feel that if you start and grow an organization that has 8 to 10 years behind it and can't provide more, than an Internet bbs there is a problem.
I may be wrong but the true benefits go to the higher up. They have access the many potential customers. They are perceived as the trusted elite and members and non-members will purchase from them. While I feel that we should support our peers. There seems to be a conflict of interest. There has to be a change there before a change will happen below.
This situation may or may not have been planned from the begging. But it is a problem. This may offend some but the facts are visible. I am certainly not pointing fingers. But look at the whole picture. Review the board members and then review what type of business they are in. This will range from Insurance people, distributors and franchisers to a few contractors.
The people that complain all have the same story, so obviously this is not a few trying to cause trouble. There are many that say nothing. It is very hard for me to voice my opinion here. The last thing I want is people to think I am against or bashing the PWNA. I am voicing my opinion on a public forum in hopes the people who can truly make a difference will read the opinion from their members and potential members.
I honestly feel that we should support the board members personal companies for their help. But they can't forget the main purpose of there spot on the board. Why should they be rewarded for organizing a structure to keep money flowing to their independent businesses? If they benefit financially on the side, they should give even more.
After 8 to 10 years there should be more benefits than a place to meet 2 times a year. It is not necessarily the member’s responsibility to grow the PWNA. It is the responsibility of the board with the help of the members.
The cost is not the problem. It is the lack of support and benefits. Members pay, get disappointed and do not renew. If they had a true reason to stay they would. This would increase revenue, which would benefit the PWNA in many ways. More money = more benefit which = more members which = more money. It is a circle that should grow at a rapid pass after a few years. Not become somewhat stationary after 8 to 10 years.
I voice this opinion to be challenged. A good challenge can uncover a problem or prove that there isn't one. Yet ultimately improve something. Until the changes are made at the top, you will have a hard time convincing the lower end of the spectrum to do things to help. Especially most join to get help and benefits for their own company.
At this point I would love to have people reward my hard work and time, by sending me 2000.00 per year. For this wonderful opportunity of communication we provide right here day in and day out. SOUNDS PRETTY SELFISH DOESN"T IT.
My main point is I feel that the founders of the PWNA had a wonderful idea and are the main reason this board is on the net. HEY GREAT IDEA. That idea has spawned many avenues of communication for all of us.
But have they gotten of track, are they forgetting the original idea of this whole thing. Has money become an issue?????. I don’t have an answer and I personally do not know what to do to improve the situation. But in defenses of the little old members. We did not come up with the idea; we were just lured in by the ideas and promises. So is it our responsibility. (Yes) to voice our opinions to get the people who have started and the people who have chosen to be elected to the board to make it better.
If incite from members and potential members isn’t taken to heart and help to guide the PWNA in the right direction then the board members who don’t agree should move on.
Or is the limelight too much to pass on, considering the potential personal gain. If nobody says anything nothing will change. If you wish to be a part of the structure, you are asking for that responsibility. Step up to the plate and make a difference or get lost. Stop saying it is the member’s responsibility. The members will give when they get from the people who chose to run the program.
Bottom line, great idea. Make members want to stay and put up what you say that draws new members. If you choose to be in position to take the heat, deal with it and do the things it takes to make the changes you’re paying members request.
People join organization for one reason. Benefiting their situation, period. I joined the PWNA because I believed what they said they had to offer. I believed what they said the future had to offer. I saw neither. I join the Chamber because I believed what the said they had to offer and I see it. Again if you start something you put yourself in a situation to deliver, if you don’t, can’t or decide to take more than you give and are not willing to do what it takes to make a change. I don’t want to hear you cry. I want what I was promised or you got to go or I got to go.
Remember the majority, who join an organization. Join for the sole purpose of benefiting from being part of a large group. If they feel that they have wasted their money, they will not stay. You can’t blame them, you have to blame the organization. They made all the promises to get you to join. If the organization does not put up what they say, they must take responsibility. Give what you promise and you will retain. Give what you promise and you will grow. Give what you promise you will get it back 10 fold. How you ask. Members will then be willing to take the time to give back.
So I don’t want to hear the PWNA is not what it should be because the members don’t get involved. Give them a reason. You said you would before they joined!!!!!
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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
