Bulletin Board discussions

[Scott Stone]

First of all, let's put a lock on it. There is no reason for this to contine in this way. The three main arties involved, Dan, Ron and Cody all have a lot to contribute to the forums. This penny ante bickering, and yes, I got caught up in it, is the most detructive thing to our industry, and our personal lives that can happen. People say things that are on the edge of truth that do nothing but hurt others.
A retraction from Scott
I have had a very good e-mail exchange with Cody. It was very positive, and we both actually stated our opinions, and came to some sort of agreement. Our ideas are very similar, but our method of stating them is Very, Very different. He is much more direct than I am, and that led to a lot of the misunderstanding that I had. I did make a couple of statements that were incorrect, or taken on second hand information. I apologize for not verifying any statements that I made prior to making the post. One was the statement about trying to get a hold of Cody on the phone. I never tried it myself, and so I had no first hand knowledge of what actually happened. I took it from a third party. I was wrong. The e-mail thing was cleared up by Cody. It seems that I hit on two inactive accounts of Cody's and that is what caused the confusion.
Now let's stop the bickering, and whining. Everyone has something to contribute. Ron, Dan and Cody. I would prefer it if we did not let the personal issues and attacks happen on this board in the future. I for one will try my hardest to not take part in them.

Scott

 

[Dan S]

any body ever watch the movie with Jim Bluishi? "THE PRINCIPAL"????????

NO MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mike Hughes]

Now that this thread is in the proper place, I have reopened it if anyone cares to vent some more.

 

[Scott Stone]

I think that it was better off closed.

Scott

 

[Clean County]

I just read all these posts and the one who explained it the best to me is Mike H. I agree with him %100.

I would also like to add that if you read between the lines you can see what is going on here. Lets break it down like this:

Robert Hindeliter more or less owns the Delco bb and he is one of the leaders in this Industry. Like him or not thats what he is. Dan Flynn who started this bb is now also one of the leaders in this Industry because of his successful BB. And Now Ron M. is also becoming one of the leaders also because of the success of his bb. That all makes sense in my mind. So what happens. At one time Dan F. gets thrown off Delco's board and further down the road Ron gets thrown off Dan's board. What does that tell you?

These three leaders are strong headed individuals(I say this in a positive manner) who all seemed to clash with one another at one time. It would be nice if they all got along but they have there reasons and I can respect that even if I don't agree with it.

As for Richard R. and especially Cody they just don't like Ron and they should keep that to themselves. Nobody wants to here who likes who because he said that etc. Those opinions should be kept to themselves because it is all about interpretations anyway. You have the right to dislike someone but bashing them on someone else's bb that is not Professsional in any way shape or form. Its just flat out nasty.

We all know Cody hates Ron. Cody is bent on trying to ruin anyone he doesn't like. He doesn't even want to help the new guys starting out. I for one am glad he never started his own bb with that attitude because if he did he would have lasted as long as Lightning clean if he was lucky.

John

 

[Andy Wheatley]

This started over a demo. If you liked the results, call up the rep and place your order, if not - don't.

If Cody wants to bash someone, so what, let him do it. He's a grown man and can say what he wants and if there are consequences I'm sure he'll deal with them. Cody nor anyone else needs mothering like an infant.

If Dan, Ron or anyone else has problems, so what, let them work it out. They are grown men and capable of making decisions and working out problems. If they need help, I'm sure they would ask. They don't need to know who is with them, or who is against them because if something comes up that needs to be dealt with, they will take action to correct the problem, or if not, they'll just live with it.

This isn't grade school and we're not choosing up teams, if you need to be on a side, go join the Army.

 

[Beth]

Wow.

I'm going to say that I have alot of thoughts going through my mind right now.

First off I am going to say that I post and moderate on more than one BBS, and also frequent Delco's site. When I do, it is for two reasons specifically. For one, I look for information on a topic or topics to answer questions that we may have regarding our own business. Secondly, I go to these places to help other people. I do so because it is in my nature to be helpful and to contribute.

I see many things in this thread that disturb me, but naming them or the people who posted them would be counterproductive and negative in my opinion. I'll make my point another way...

We are all hard working people. We come here to learn, to help, to connect with others and to establish friendships and to network. Growing closer means getting to know things about people we may not agree with. This does not mean that a person is a bad person. Opinions have a funny way of clouding judgement and starting fights when there need not be fighting. I'm not going to get into things like intentions or agendas. I am not looking at that here. That's the negative thing to focus on. The positive thing to focus on is the efforts that others, and I mean every board out there not just two or three, have put into trying. Agendas and motives aside there was something positive in it. All boards have value to me.

I may not always agree with someone else's posts, but you know what? I respect them. Each and every one of us is entitled to be respected, and to do that you have to learn to trust, and to be able to set aside politics and personal agendas. This is a WONDERFUL forum, one I am PROUD to be associated with. People starting out in business come here to learn from those of us who are a little bit weathered and have already found the bumps on the path. Is this really the impression we want to give to them?

It takes TEAMWORK. There is no 'I' in TEAM. Being able to agree to disagree means in part being able to be comfortable knowing that your feelings may not be the popular ones, and that it's ok. You aren't diminished if they aren't. It's not a contest. But you should be respected for having shared them. And the people receiving your message should show respect.

It saddens me to see this. I will continue to help others, in as many ways and in as many forums as I can. I look forward to reading posts from each and every member out there. Period.

Thank you for listening to what I had to share,

Beth

 

[Jon]

Glenn, yeah you got me guy, but the wife gonna take a shot at you for spelling her name wrong! Oh well your not the first to do it and won't be the last but it is spelled REMY, no two Es in it.


Cody sent an Email to me, in it he made some points that I can agree with, some I am not sure of and some I disagree with.

When it comes to Ron I back Ron 100%, I know Ron and trust him, I would give him the keys to my home and that takes trust.

I have seen nothing to show me Ron has done anything illegal.

What I have seen are several strong personalilities going up against each other and when that happens there are no winners per se.

All of us have to right to say what we feel is right, all I ask is if we are going to attack someone post the PROOF your right and the other person is WRONG, without solid proof I will not believe what the person posting says.

The proof should be in the post but you can clarify it Email. Just don't attack anyone personally just because you as an indivisual do not agree or like that person.

Example, take President Bush, I know all don't like or agree with him but do you attack him personally?


DAN FLYNN,

I am asking you as the thread starter to please close this up forever.

 

[Clean County]

Look at Jon trying to get in the last word and then requesting the thread to be close forever. Pretty clever.

Your right in what you say in your post. But people are people and people still do attack George Bush verbally. Thats just the way it is unfortunately.

This was an interesting thread thats why there were so many responses even though this thread had alot of negativety to it.

So if Dan wants to close the thread who can blame him. And if he did then I might have got the last word in(I doubt it).

Oh yea one more thing I support Delco, Dan F and Ron M. I think there all doing a great Job. And I for one hope it stays that way.

John

 

[Jon]

John I was not trying to get the last word in, I am not like that but feel this thread is not doing any good to any of us now.

Yes we all have the right to disagree only there is a right and wrong way to do that.

Consructively is a good way of doing it, negatively is not.


I say no more.

 

[Dan Flynn]

Jon,

Sorry I have not got back to you. My email situation has been really a pain as of late. It works one minute then not the next.

This whole thread has nothing to do with doing something Illegal. Also nobody is asking anyone to not associate with Ron in this thread. I said I will not and that's because of the lack of ethics, conniving behavior and contacting people that financially support this site and trying to sway them not too. I personally have a problem with that.

You can believe that or not. But I feel I have an excellent reputation and I would never make statements with such merit if they were not true. In addition, I held on to that information for months. I can't speak for anyone else.

I happen to feel that a person does not have to be doing something illegal to be wrong or way out of line in what they do. Then to top it off act like they never did and they are the victim.

I closed this post once. Mike our assistant admin reopened it when he moved it to this forum. I feel that if people want it closed they should stop posting in it. It will not be deleted. I don't feel that I have the right to delete the feelings and thoughts of others unless they are doing or saying something that is out of line.

I can appreciate your support for Ron and I am glad that you have a good relationship with him. I think a guy with your great character will do him some good.

Thanks for not being afraid to take a stand and voice your opinion. I admire you for that among other things. This is what the shoot the bull area is for. Good or bad in ones view or another. What counts is the communication and debate from a variety of people from around the world.

Talk to you soon

 

[Jon]

Dan F.

Thanks for your reply here since Email is not working and I see nothing wrong with what you said.

I understand your side and as you know I try to walk that line between things. Sometimes that is not easy to do but I manage.

Both of you have differences and there will never be a coming of minds and handshakes between you two and I would not try to bring that about either.

Won't bother to back track this thing anymore. I will come to read but won't post, not because I wanted it close but I see no need to since it has all been said.

At least from my point it has, others can and I am sure will post here and keep it going, that is their prerogative.

 

[billymac]

More stuff about this Ron Guy, who is this guy and i'll ask again what is his sites address?

I dont know the guys who owns this BB but it sounds like he is crying over spilled Milk. simply do your thing and i'm sure he is doing his since he has not replyed to this garbage. i think one guy says it best. go do something productive with your time and everyone stop persecuting each other. it is X-mas.

 

[Dan Flynn]

Take your own advice

 

[Dan Flynn]

P S

What a loser, I just check this guys IP and password he registered with. Guess what its Ron Again. Only Ron would use the same password on his multiple users name. Same as Bob, Ron Musgrave’s, Ron Marshall and so on.

If your that hard up for people to come to your bbs. Try a something a little different. Like Honesty it goes a long way. The smoke clear and just trying to heat things back up on this post billy. Do us all a favor and just stop the games.

 

[Scott Stone]

Dan,
If you will umlock the IP button, like Delco and everyone else, we will be able to tell for ourselves who is actually making the post.

Scott

 

[Dan S]

good idea lets see the proof........ im not saying that you are fibbing i just want to see fer myself ...

another note,
there has been some saying lets let this end ....Yes, I agree but closing a post is not the answer.it would just start all over in another post.
so may i suggest to leave it where it is at ......and dont close it ..... that way if we really want to read it we know where it's at ..and not reading it over and over in another post.......

If that is the way Ron works then shame on you Ron...stop playing with the bbs... why dont you and Dan get together and for coffee and talk this out man to man .....stop the bullpoop.........
I guess that is the follower in me coming out ..LOL>>>>>

 

[Dan Flynn]

Ok Guys,

First of all, I agree with both of you and I will open the ip's. I also will not delete the post. As I said this is been forgotten until billymac brings it back up and then says in his post hey stop it. It's XMAS. That's why I don't understand why he started again.

Ron called me last night and wanted to discuss why I was accusing him and making accusations. The conversation got heated at times because again I know all the things in these posts are true and I felt he had a lot of nerve to call me up and basically start doing the same to me face to face on the phone.

He swore up and down he has done nothing now or in the past. That ticked me off because I knew he did. He has also admitted to me personally on a thing or two. Then last night he said show me the proof. I was thinking show you the proof. You know exactly what I am talking about.

So after a long and going nowhere conversation. Of him telling me he didn't do it and never did anything. He asked me to delete all these posts and let him post on this bbs.

I said I don't want you back because the things you do are not things I want to be associated with. But I will get rid of the billymac post if it's not you. I told him I would ping the billymac ip and if it's not from Arizona I will believe you.

So here is what I found, sine he usually uses AOL he has a million ip's with them. I can search them when I get time. billy mac used a hotmail email address. So I ping it and this is what I got back.

Not only is billymac strangely enough from the same area, he also has the same password as 5 other of Ron aliases names. I did a search from the bbs control panel for the password in question.

Listed below are 6 names with the same password with the same spelling.

Now the other time we talked about Bob. He was smart enough to make the password different but he has the same ip as Ron Marshall. 198.81.16.187. That is an AOL so if you search for it on your own good luck. But the picture below is a list of members with the ip above.

So yes even though I knew for sure about the past. I gave him the benefit on this one. He can be persuasive.
So let him fool ya if you want. You asked for the proof and so did Ron. Well here it is.

Anymore than that I would have to let everyone in the control panel or do some hunting the ip's are open.

I also don't want to hear let it go from the soon to be posters.

He gets this stuff going. I shut up for a long time, and then let it out of the bag. Let it go again and he starts all over. If this doesn't proof he hides behind names and makes posts like the one in question. Well I guess people just look past the truth for some reasons or another.

I’m sure a lot of you heard from him telling you he didn't do it. You make call. He is betraying you too.

He had a chance here and blew it. So if you don’t think that it’s a one and a million chance that billymac's ip is from Phoenix just like Ron and he has the same password as 5 other of Ron’s names. And that the 6 names above have the same password and most have to same ip’s. I guess I'm wrong and this show everything including the things I said in the past are not true. I must be out to get him.

 

[ghouchu]

i've received helpful advice, for which i am deeply and genuinely grateful, from folks on each side of this issue. i have no knowledge about the issue except for the facts and opinions contained in this thread (i have not seen any information offered by email.) i have no prejudice or predisposition for or against any of the central players. i have no ax to grind. i'd be smart to keep my fool mouth shut, but i am a lover of truth.

whatever else he may or may not be guilty of, it seems clear to me that ron is guilty of actively attempting to disrupt this bulletin board and belittle dan f in the process. and he's going about it in a chicken-shit, underhanded manner. a devisive thread essentially ends, with no new postings for over a week, and suddenly some claimed new member makes one of his only 2 posts to this thread?!? and ron has a history, acknowledged by his supporters, of using aliases?!? and the new post is provocative?!? and the new post invites publication of the address of ron's bbs?!? and calls dan a crybaby?!? it hardly requires the information about ip's and passwords to figure out what's going on here.

and the message itself. so subject to "interpretation." not an outright attack--ron's defenders, if there still be any after his latest, disguised posting, can still say "ron didn't say anything bad about this bbs or dan, it's a matter of interpretation." it's the posting of a practiced manipulator. and a brazen one, to choose this thread to engage in an act of sabatage.

for all i know, this joker has many redeeming qualities, but what we all now do know is that he is capable of being a snake in the grass when it suits his purposes. i have no quarrel with those who elect to continue to associate with ron as long as he doesn't screw them over. i don't perceive them to be disloyal to this bbs or to dan. it won't change the respect i have for them as individuals and professionals, it can't erase my gratitude for the advice they have given me, and it doesn't diminish my admiration for their willingness to share their time and experience with rookies. but guys, watch your backs. to my mind he showed a blatant disregard for his defenders by sneaking into this thread and doing exactly what his defenders said he wasn't doing.

if i ever met him, i might like the guy, but i wouldn't trust him.

richard

 

[Dan S]

MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP!!!!