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allenb

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I have just received my first car lot to power wash. Can anyone give me step by step directions about washing all the cars. I am charging one dollar per vehicle. Do I need a hot unit? Or can I just get by with a cold unit 2400 psi? It's with a Ford dealership and I want to do a good job. Do I need the ionized unit as well?. What about chamois towels? Thank you very much
 
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FCPWLLC

New Member
are you serious?

You bid the job and got the job before knowing what to do. First of all, $1 a car is an extremely low price. Second, you should have asked these questions before bidding and screwing some other real contractor out of a contract by lowballing the price.

No help here as what to do or use cleaning cars. I will let you learn that the hard way when you work your butt off at lower than minnimum wage.

I won't even ask if you carry insurance or proper licensing.

:burn:
 

vandiesel99

New Member
I agree, how did you (receive) this? $1 is ridiculous unless you can do 600-700 cars a day, which I doubt since you don't know what your doing. I would say use a water hose and a scrub bucket. It almost seems you have never even washed your own car.
 

allenb

New Member
shameful

this is pitiful! I am going to write to the administrators of this site. How depressing, how negative a response was that. First of all I said that I would start at 1 dollar. I have to work out the details. I am bright and can do anything anyone else can do. I have insurance and bonding. You all are sick people. The idea is to offer help and positive suggestions. You painted me as some chump and that is wrong. Man forget it. I mean XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX you if thats the best you can offer. seriosly
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
First of all you stated you were charging 1 dollar a car and not would be starting at 1 dallor a car.You also ask for step by step directions for washing all the cars and would you need a ionized unit as well plus the towel thingy.

You also ladeled ALL of us sick,I did not see where anyone painted you as a chump you did that yourseft in the way ask for help.I also read your post as if you no nothing about how to wash fleet cars.Reread your post and ask yourseft if you know anything about washing fleetcars as it is writen.

No,you do not need hotwater to wash fleet cars,several use chamois towels to dry the cars.Charging less then 2.75 per car you'll need a nest egg in the bank to pay your bills.
 

john orr

New Member
Allen

Sorry, you hit a raw nerve with most of us. From the tone of your post, you gave us the impression that you did not, in fact, know anything about washing cars.

Did you lose the thread where you asked this question last month? "need help asap. Can cars be cleaned with a normal power washing unit or do they have to be cleaned with the hot units or with a dio0onized unit? I need to know yesterday. I have a bid that I am considering with a lot with one thousand cars on it."

or the awesome response from John Montag? "My advice is to RUN!!! Now that I got that outta' my system........ The ultimate set up would be an RO system, but is very costly and hard to justify for what you're going to get paid per car. In cooler weather (MI) you might be tempted to use hot water. However, the quick change in surface temperature on the metal and glass only helps to calcify the hard water, leaving deep water spots that are extremely difficult to remove.

We use to do between 2,500 & 3,000 cars weekly for dealers. If I remember correctly, we used roughly 6 - 7 gals. of water per car. Keep this in mind if you're going to use a portable tank. We ALWAYS used the dealerships outside water source, so this wasn't a big issue. The drawback to this is that you end up using 200' - 300' of supply hose to the machine, and another 200'+ of pressure hose. That's really hard on the machines. Not to mention that your supply hose gets run over a lot, or parked on, interrupting your water flow. Plus, using the dealership's water, you're at the mercy of the supply's water hardness.

Our crews consisted of 3 guys. One sprayer & two chamois dryers. Our average was 50 - 55 cars per hour, doing exceptional work. You can do more per hour if you're sloppier. We started at daybreak 5 - 6 a.m. Firstly to avoid the heat on the cars and heatstroke. Also to avoid a lot of customer traffic while spraying. Most dealerships are going to want you to do this work on Thursday or Friday so the cars are "standing tall" for the weekend traffic. This means you have a small window of opportunity. If there's any rain in the forecast, we litterally were calling our crews at 11 p.m. to tell them wether we were working the next day or not. Don't be surprised when the GM of the dealership calls you at 9 p.m. to say "it looks like rain, forget the wash this week!" Somehow these guys believe rain cleans cars as good as pressure washing.

Used cars: The sprayer has to be very careful about loose paint, pin striping, loose moulding, etc. I've watched them peel off pin stripes in a second, or remove a giant sheet of poorly touched up paint areas. And yes, dragging the hoses over the fenders will scratch the hell out of them. If you're gonna' do this, invest in non-marking hose for the section at the gun.

The long & short - Yes, you can make money if you do it right, but there are a lot of variables. I didn't even get into employee problems. The average price around here was $1.35 per car. We paid our crews by the car, not the hour.

Good Luck with all that!
 

PressurePros

New Member
The number one reason 95% of new businesses go out of business in the first year is improper research. It sounds like you bought a home duty pressure washer from home depot (as evidenced by 2400 psi), heard you can make money in this profession and jumped the gun by bidding a job.

One of three things is going to happen.
1) The dealership will fire you when they see how long the job is taking or how crappy the cars look.
2) You will quickly figure out you will be netting less than minimum wage after expenses and lose interest and leave the dealership hanging.
3) You will do some major damage to a vehicle by trying to rush around using improper detergents and pressure.

I'm sorry, man. As harsh as the above posts may have seen and as sharp as you think you are, you are in way over your head.

Your solution is to go to the delaership and be honest. Let a company that has been doing this for awhile take care of an account this big. Meanwhile read, research and save for proper equipment. In a few months have a few friends bring their vehicles by and see how fast you can wash five vehicles spot free.

Do the math, if by some miracle you can do a car in four minutes that is 4000 minutes or 67hours. $1000-$200 in gas and chemicals is $800.

$800/67 hours = $11.95 That is in a best case scenario. You will probably come nowhere near that by the time you setup, run hose, move your machine, move cars etc.
 
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allenb

New Member
ok

underestimating human potential is funny to me. It's all assumptions. I have the money to buy the unit. One thing about me is that I am great. There is a lot of negativity at this site. Not all though, and I really appreacial the solid advice. It's gold! I am not over my head. I am a former U.S Marine with combat experience. For some that is over the head. This stuff is just execution an knowhow. cmon. All I need is the advice anything else is a waste of my time and energy. Thanks for the good advice.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
underestimating human potential is funny to me. It's all assumptions.

yes it is funny and whats even funnier someone with so say knowledge writes a post leaving all kinds of assumptions.



There is a lot of negativity at this site

That is not so,its professionals giving free advise as to the way a post is writen,like I said reread your post.If you are a professional you'd have aa understanding for the reasoning of another professional stating as they did.I think they did a fine job in answering the way the post was writen b/c they see alot of damage from new comers to the trade with lowball prices.

Like I said reread your post as a professional would read it and see if your answer would be the same as the above.
 

benwandel

New Member
Its not rocket science

I've done car lots before. I would use the search function to search what others have charged for doing car lots. The prices are different in different areas as usual. Insurace is a good idea. Take an inventory of the cars you are washing and take note of any scratches on vehicles before you start. I used cold water at a low psi. You don;t want to be ripping paint, rust or bondo of of any cars. I follow up with a chamois. Its real easy if you have people to follow the water man with a chamois. Practice on your neigbors cars for free. It made me feel alot more comfortable before I started with car lots. I recomend the watersprite chamois...they're the best. I have started my buisness by getting information from this forum and others like it. Sometimes you run into people that will try to run you down. Most of the time you will find people who are willing to give friendly advice. I hope you find this advice a little more helpful.
 

PressurePros

New Member
If I were to go over to Iraq, with improper weapons and no training but I got advice from someone on a website would I be able to execute combat or, perhaps, would I be in over my head?

I stand by my post. Read my posts on here. I try to help everyone that comes here with valid questions they cannot find answers to. Someone that comes to a message board loaded with information but is too lazy to do their own research just rubs me the wrong way. Get off your ass, Marine and do some searching. If you get some chastising for asking open ended questions, suck it up.
 
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Scott Stone

New Member
Let me see, you asked for advice, the advice was given, although not especially gently, and you are angry.

I'll tell you what you want to hear. Go for it. You can do it. Get a bunch of towels and workers that don't mind working on a piece rate and have them dry the cars. You don't need any soap. It is a waste of money in this application. If you spent more than $500 on a machine you spent too much. Dang Marine, go for it. Jump in and do it. You can do anything.

And thank you for your service.

Figure out where I was being honest with you. (Clue, only one paragraph was not truthful)
 

vandiesel99

New Member
underestimating human potential is funny to me. It's all assumptions. I have the money to buy the unit. One thing about me is that I am great. There is a lot of negativity at this site. Not all though, and I really appreacial the solid advice. It's gold! I am not over my head. I am a former U.S Marine with combat experience. For some that is over the head. This stuff is just execution an knowhow. cmon. All I need is the advice anything else is a waste of my time and energy. Thanks for the good advice.


Your statements are a complete insult to every person who is in this business. Obviously your "assumption" of our profession is that any dumbass can do it. All you have to do is know what equipment it takes and boom your a pro. Like Ken said, thats like us going to war with a War for Dummies book in hand while we are on the battlefield. You should have done your homework before you bid a job. People like you are the reason we get a bad name as a trade in general, because any asshole thinks he can do it and ends up tearing things up because they figure out the hard way it is not near as easy as it looks.
 

Jonathan Elli

New Member
$ 1 per car

I use to do a car lot for $1 per car. The agreement was totally changed by the owner of the lot upon arrival. We were suppose to just spray them off with water. Even if this is your agreement it will not last even with water. I appreciate your service to all of us by being in the marines, however some of us were doing this type of work before you even thought about it. No one here is being an ass... ok maybe some, but there is no point in trying to help you with this you are set in your ways. However I do wish you good luck.
 

Revive

New Member
Nothing ventured nothing gained

We all need different incomes to make all our worlds go around. We get $2.65 per car. If you can do it for $1.00 per and pay your bills, all the power to you.
Cold water,wrap your gun in foam,attach part of the hose to your belt to make it easier for draging it as you go.You need two guys to wipe them down.
Don't waste money on soaps,as there is not much brake dust or bug splats as they are, for the most part, just sitting collecting airborne dirt.


$1.00 per. Not in my world. But I've lost my shirt on jobs before, and I'm sure it'll happen again. Make sure your Ins. Co. knows what you are doing. If you don't,then I'll tell you,

" Somewhere there is a village missing their idiot."

Good Luck

Rich Clayson
Revive Powerwashing Inc.
 

5 Star Johnny

New Member
allenb - Firstly, thank you for serving our country & protecting our freedoms!! Anyone that knows me personally, knows how much I respect our men & women in the armed forces. I go out of my way to thank them when I see them on the street, or when I discover in conversation that they've served or are serving.

That's as nice and positive as I'm going to get!!! [hello] I agree with Ken F. Although it's a dramatic comparison, I'm certain you would not be as comfortable on the battle field knowing the person next to you learned all their skills from a forum. I myself am pretty damn bright! That doesn't qualify me to use a grenade launcher! I'm also a hunter, and a pretty good shot with a deer rifle. Does that qualify me for sniper duty? I'm sure you get the point.

As Larry B. stated, read your post. I have, and it most certainly invites the ire of those who run a professional business. It's an insult to our trade. NO, washing cars is not "brain science" or "rocket surgery". However, it still requires an amount of knowledge and experience. Additionally, if you're doing it for money, you've crossed the line from hobbyist to contractor. That carries a lot of responsibility.

Practicing on your friends & neighbors cars? [puke] Unless you get 20 or so at one time to park 1 1/2 feet apart, it's kinda' hard to duplicate what you'll experience on an actual car lot. Not to mention having customers, salespeople or lot boys coming around a blind corner directly in the path of your spray.

Shame on you Marine! Take the lessons you've learned from your training and discipline and apply them to your new persuit. Hoorahh!
 

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