Cheaper House washes

Richard R.

New Member
ParadiseProWash,

I second Mikes motion. You and your Family will definitely be in my prayers.
That's what I like about this board. We can be talking to extra- ordinary people and never really know it until one of them accidently slips and reveals themselves.
I never caught you first name, but I definitely consider you a hero.
I've been through some pretty tough times in my life as I'm sure almost everyone has, but when you hear about someones small child who is struggling to live and parents who struggle along side them, my heart skips a beat.
It sure makes my problems seem not so big after all.

GOD Bless

Richard R.
 

rllipham

New Member
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Did I open a can of worms or what. I know most of you work hard and have gone through a lot of pain and agony operating a business and then have the lowballer bust you. I envy the one that are making it. I want to be there with you in a few years.

All I was trying to say is don't put the all of the $1000 pressure washer operations in a basket with the lowballers. The statement about the low price was a joke.

1. I will not do a substandard job. If I have any doubt I will pass on the job. (PERSONAL ETHICS)

2. If I can't make reasonable profits doing a job I will not do it. However, profit does not always mean cash profit. I don't work for free or pocket change unless there is a high potiential for later gains.. (BUSINESS MANAGEMENT)

3. I have a business plan with check points and goals. (PERSONAL MANAGEMENT)

I have been in business for a month. My first months revenues have been $350. (THREE MOBILE HOMES) That is over $100 each.
I have turned down about 4-6 jobs because of complaints about the price. I am happy with the $350. Quality work and a fair price. I have reference letters from all three jobs.

My next job is a newly built fast food joint. The contractor wants the new curbing washed and the new parking lot lightly washed. I do not have a parking lot cleaner but the local rental store has one. This job will pay $800 for about 10 hours work. So far this is my only job for the month. Good money good profit fair pricing. The contractor asked me for a price. I said $800 without blinking or excuses for the price. DONE DEAL!

You are right. I won't be here in three years. If I have to lower my standards or work for pennies.

I hope this clears any misunderstandings. I respect this group and value information I receive.

By the way....... Dealing with a $1,000,000 technical project bid and a $700 pressure washing job are very much alike. You use the same business principles. Costs, time, value added and profits are all part of any bid.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
<b><font color=green>It may be cheaper as in faster on you to rent a hotwater powerwasher with more gpm from the rental place than buying any chemicals.It being new you should not have to have any chemicals b/c the stains aren't set in and hotwater will get most in new concrete.Rent it for a half day and you'll see what we're taking about as the speed over the powerwasher you have,you'll see more profit in the gpm as to get the job done faster which will make that 800 look really good b/c your time will be cut way down meaning more per hour to you,,it will pay for the rent plus it goes with (BUSINESS MANAGEMENT)
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Jon

New Member
Paradise ProWash,

Mike said it well, we also understand about insurance and are with you for a long and wonderful life with your daughter.

Yes it does sometimes help all of us understand when you open up something deeply personal like you did so we can see inside your family.


rllipham:

Naw you did not open up that can of worms, they have been crawling around for a long time, we all try to pick them up and recan them but sometimes that can gets knocked over again.

Let me speak for myself, the hardest thing to do is take criticism from others who might or might not see things or approve things others are saying. Stick with it, stick with this board and over time you will look back as has been mentioned and say WAS THAT ME WHO DID THINGS THAT WAY?

I doubt one person here started out with money coming in without having to learn the ropes.
 

spraymasters

New Member
Welcome rllipham to the best board on the net. These guys know what the heck they are talking about and I can say this, most here are out to help the new guys. Our business was lucky to get up and running the same time this board did and without the help of these kind people we would probably be out of business right now or never really got off the ground.:D
We have learned so much, and that is why I continue to come back to this board and add my
1 1/2 cent worth to help whenever I can.
Our frustrations though lay in the fact that there are those out there without the work ethics and take advantage of the customers that do not know any better. Then we all suffer because the customer then does not trust ANY pressure washer company. I, like you, did alot of work for free at first to learn. I was glued to this board asking as many questions as possible. Over time we were able to start making a profit and seeing our company grow. We have learned alot but still and always will have lots more to learn.
My point here is like Jon said, you did not open a can of worms, just be patient with your knowledge and skills. Use this board as a resource. Learn the ins and outs of this very different type of business. Welcome...
Den
 

Beth

New Member
Gentlemen (and any other ladies out there),
Part of me wishes I had not stumbled across this thread. Many of you know me, I tell it like it is. I am also quick to help the newbies, which makes what I am about to write, difficult to draft and post. But, I too have something to say about the posts and their tone. So, before I begin I'll simply say I apologize if I offend anyone, for it will most certainly not be my intention. (but could be read that way)

There are many hard working people on this board with a variety of work experiences. You might even be surprised to learn that the number you so liberally and proudly toss around, is not ( or has not been) an uncommon accomplishment for many folks on this board. We know what mission statements are. We know what business plans are. We know what marketing plans are. We are not uneducated redneck moron idiots without the benefit of an education or a brain tucked neatly inside our cramium. You obviously do have a background to be proud of. And yes, you can translate much of it into what you are now beginning to embark upon, provided you understand how. You really did come across the wrong way.

It would be wise to not alienate those who have more experience in this particular industry at a time when you may well need their advice. When you are new to this business, you will encounter things on jobs you accept and you won't know how to handle them. It happens to everyone. No one, is perfect, and no one, starts out with all the answers. Additionally, no one, knows exactly which jobs to accept and to turn down with 100% accuracy or knowledge of what they will face out in the field.

When we began, we didn't have the $1000.00 machine. We bought them refurbished on an auction site. But you know what? It's what we could afford.

When customers change to another company it's not always about the PW company going after them, it can be about the customer seeking a new vendor. PW Companies don't always intentionally go after each others business. But if one out performs another, well, may the best cleaner win.

We have an account now due to lack of responsiveness and poor job quality on the part of the other company. We responded when someone needed help right away.

Sorry about being off topic. Now about house washing.... there are some companies here too that have standard rates which seem low. But we don't seemto have any problem selling a job for more than what they advertise for. Many consumers are leary of low prices, and you may actually find an increase in your sales if you raise your prices...that's right, an increase in sales at higher prices. There is a whole psychology to pricing and what consumers will respond to and what they won't. From what we have seen, it seems to be true. Figure out what the high and low is in your area, and aim for the middle of the bell curve. You'll see a dramatic increase in sales! :)

Welcome one and all!

Beth

p.s. One thing you said makes no sense to me......please clarify...

"I have turned down about 4-6 jobs because of complaints about the price."

One would thing that if the prospect was complaining about the price, they would not hire you for the job, so how could you turn it down if it was not your to begin with? Also, if you mean that when you presented the price they complained and you simply backed off, well, then surely you know that they were opening up negotiations and looking for a discount. Surely after sales such as the one you shared with us you know when someone flinches....right? At that point if you walk away you have decided not to counter, which is fine.
 
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ron

New Member
Hi if you read my first reply it was about a guy that uses collage guys with zero exsperiance to line his pockets. i was not putting down a person with a low budget and a will to do his best. GOD BLESS AMERICA! HI BETH i also said PRICE in my second post. If you can do a BETTER job for less then im doing something wrong ,no problem. Do a less job at half the price,what is called a 'blow and go' and have a happy X-customer of mine[which has'nt happend yet] just makes me look like a thief or the customer stupid.
RLLIPHAM i hope everthing is well with you and your family. In my book it goes GOD,FAMILY,FRIENDS and ANYONE LESS FORTUNIT.
When it comes to pressure washing my advice to you is find 1 or 2 things that you and your [limited equipment] can wash and become ''the very best at it'' One market, you'll get fast, you'll get good, and you can get your price, because no one can do it better.
Thats what i did then added things as i went.
By the way when you left that market and were not happy with the way it turned out, why did'nt you fix it before leaving or go back to fix it? I have done the job twice with a happy customer the first time i did it. Why because i knew it was'nt right, and that person was going to tell someone else that might know better that i did the job. That was'nt going to happen to me.
If you want to practice for free hears one for you. Check out 'habitat for humanity' or any other housing projects for the poor. Help someone that really could use it.
Heck everyone should do one, you'll get more satisfaction from that one freebie then a $500 2 hour job. :) Life is short lets all get along.
 

Beth

New Member
Ummmmm....Ron,
My reply was not directed to just you, but was a cumulative response. I wasn't saying you put down someone who started out inexpensively. When we started, our prices were off just like anyone elses are in year one, and our equipment was all we could afford. We have better equipment now, and our prices are more in line with everyone elses.

Like I said in the post....don't misread me. :)
I think you may have. I didn't have a problem with what you wrote. My statement about the machines was actually in support of your own, as in, we were there once too.

Beth
:cool:

p.s. we don't blow and go either....
 
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Power Clean

New Member
rllipham,

I too am a newbie to the business. But I'll tell you what, this board can give you so much information, you can start off not knowing a darn thing about PW-ing, because thats exactly what I did. I started my business in november of 2000 and thought I could wash a house with simple green, etc. but I wasn't able to do anything but read the BB's to learn until this spring, because I was recovering from rotator cuff surgery.

Knowing what chems to use, how to do the job, how to price a job and knowing the do's and don'ts are just a few things I learned.

Why do I say that? Because after my first deck job I got a reference from this person and I have just been able to get to that job, finishing up that job tomorrow. My first job I made $68 an hour for 12 hours of work (this does include supplies and products though) and that job did not require stripping! That sucker looked great! The job I'll finish tomorrow will make me about $70 an hour CLEAR! Now, this is not on every job, but the money IS out there. Like one said, you may get more business if the your price goes up. Now if I am doing a deck, I will wash their home for an additional $150, otherwise I charge $1 per linear ft for one story, $1.50 for 2-3 stories (x-jet user!) with a minimum $150.

And yes, I do this part time with NO intentions on leaving my full time job. Some people think that part timers are always lowballers, not me. The way I see it, if I'm going to work on my off time, I'm going to be paid well!

There are lots of great people here. When someone posts something that is unsettling to you, just sit back and grin......... I've had too!

Welcome to the board!

Roy
 

ParadiseProWash

New Member
:) Hey guys and gals above that said that they would pray for my daughter I do appreciate that her name is Shelby Paradise. All prayers are always welcome. :)

Now back to business, some would say that I am a weekend warrior but I will tell you I am far from that. My wife who does not work for obvious reasons I do have 3 girls but only one is handicapped. She gets to answer the phone all day and give me a list of people that have called over the course of the day. Then when I get home I shower and kiss the family good bye and I am off to quote. I give quotes not low balled quotes either I get top dollar for my work and if I get the job I check my schedule and mark it to be done. Yes I usually wash only on the weekend but as you can see that is when I have time to wash.

I do wash during the week but it is usually the smaller jobs that can be done in about an hr. I do not consider myself to be a weekend warrior I consider myself to be a business man and a proffesional.

I started my business with a Home Depot pressure washer because thats what I could afford. Just because a person is not full of wealth does not mean a person cannot do a good job. Usually in my findings a person does not have to be wealthy to be a wealthy person. :)

Sorry for the long post I have come to respect alot of you guys and gals on this board and though I might not agree with some of you does not mean that I do not respect you. We have alot of good people here with alot of knowledge that is appreciated on a daily basis. :)

Peace
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
When we use terms we mean that everyone that has pressure washer from home depot sucks. I think it’s just a figure of speech. Should offense be taken? Well maybe we need to use other examples. The problem is the stigma of this guy is real and they do exist. Does this mean you suck? No of course you are the only one that can answer that question. And you have offended and defended your self well.

We have a lot of great people on this bb and I don’t hate anyone, I respect those that I disagree with and admire those who help. We can argue on this forum well and great things have come from many discussions.


May we all of overcome adversities and prosper. welcome to the board.
 

Mark

Moderator / Sponsor
Morgan,

We will remember Shelby in our prayers too.

Best Wishes, and by the way you do not sound like a weekend warrior to me!

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Beth

New Member
Morgan,

We'll be thinking of and praying for Shelby. Take care of each other.

Beth & Rod
 

Richard R.

New Member
Since I'm still wet behind the ears, I'm not real sure what the hype is on where the pressure washer was purchased and the amount of money spent on it is all about, but I will say this, if your machine can get the job done that I hired you to do then so beit.
Hope I'm not sticking my neck out to far but as an illustration, I live by one of our Journeymen members here in my area, and this member has some of the most awesome inventory you've ever seen. I may be very astonished at his inventory, but I'm mostly impressed with the job he does, the way he treats me and others and of course the knowledge he has about this profession.
He doesn't brag, nor does he rub his inventory and cost in my face. Although he encourages me to purchase better equipment in the future, he also tells me how to accomplish my jobs with the equipment I have and comforts me with incentives that he used to be where I am today and is always there to lend a hand in projects I have problems with.

I respect everyone on this board, but lets face it, there are times that there are examples that are written in black and white that could truly stir some folks up. No one reads them the same way, but we have to admit there are some that jump to conclusions on issues that were not to be perceived the way they appear. I just hope we can always agree to disagree in a compassionate manner and never make one feel less than the other.
I've worked for years in a cut throat work environment as I'm sure many have or do now, but I have to admit, the group of Ladies and Gentleman on this board are some of the best I've ever been associated with.
If I may say so, rllipham, I welcome you with open arms. It appears you are trying to build a very well put together program.

With Utmost Respect to All

Richard R.
 
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bling bling

New Member
morgan
i can relate to your situation,i have a little girl who was born with cerebral palsy and have gone through many surgeries and each time with the help of god she returns home with a smile.i keep my full time job for insurance purposes and dont know what i will do without it. sometimes in life you have to do what you got to do.my prayers are with you and your family
 

ParadiseProWash

New Member
Thanks bling bling I will keep your daughter in my prayers as well. Right now hospital bills alone for her have been over a million dollars this does not include doctors just hospital bills thank God for insurace.

God Bless and Peace :)
 

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