Do we really need a Organization ? (poll)

Do You really need an organization to help your business.

  • YES

    Votes: 37 42.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 33 37.5%
  • I can make just as much $ without it

    Votes: 17 19.3%
  • I can't make any money without it

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    88

Scott Stone

New Member
Once again pointless and immature on your part Scott. I did ask for that ban so I couldn't see you guys attack my family or Babe Ruth's family which is what happened there and you know that. You were also reveling in your Jealousy of Jim Gamble so you snapped. What got you in trouble there which you won't admit was you put Beth on my ban agreeing with you. The main and respected admin there Grant fixed this thru Beth of that classless thing you did. Anymore garbage you want to air to help your ego?
John, give up the jealousy thing. Jim is pulling your strings. It is causing you problems. As for pointless, in this very thread you have said that you never requested a ban. You will note that I even stated that you would whine about being banned and that I would remove the ban when you did. I think it lasted a day or two at max. You are a liar and unstable. I just proved it.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
The Board was unanimous in the decision to move forward on Las Vegas problems and OC.

Its all documented by the Enviro Committee, this committee stands separate from the BOD and operates in the best interest of the org. and the members of the industry to fight over regulation any place possible.

Your will find its members of this committee are also behind Scott & Tonys Team 100%

Unlike the works of Robert most of his Career he and his son do what ever they feel like, they do not operate transparent with the team. History has proven otherwise, they have left or thrown off various industry affiliations for Various reason. Mostly do to not being able to have there way, they often have taken there ball home because the outcome did not go there way.

Robert on this Last situation burned more bridges, he threw some folks under the bus. He was caught in a situation with OC he could not Back out of, the documents Tony obtained proved these things.

The real issue John is that he got people in Gov and the industry in some trouble, we dropped the issue because a person at the Gov was having severe issues over this because she was deceived when they only thought they had been helping us. (Meaning the PWNA as the industry Leader) coming to find out Robert is just a guy who wants fees for his services. Its all in print, he asked to be paid by the OC.

Theres nothing wrong with Robert Selling his service , but please do not pretend to represent me in my profession through a Profit corporation that you been telling people has been operating as a not for profit.

Your own words John you stated Robert open the PWNA and ran it as a profit org for nearly 10 years. Is this a bit scandalous? I paid money to this org under false pretense , you know they only applied in 2006 with Everett as the president.

1000's of dollars from private training and certifications not kept track of for years.

John Nearon may have me fooled but i Believe he's another good man being lead in by the guys who control and run the org. Maybe they can really change it. I hope the PWNA finds its own identity far from the Daryl , Paul , Mike & Robert Camp. These men have held back this industry far to long, the guard had to change one day. The day is here!!!!!!!
 

Clean County

New Member
John, give up the jealousy thing. Jim is pulling your strings. It is causing you problems. As for pointless, in this very thread you have said that you never requested a ban. You will note that I even stated that you would whine about being banned and that I would remove the ban when you did. I think it lasted a day or two at max. You are a liar and unstable. I just proved it.
Give it up Scott. You proved nothing. Your continous Jealousy of Jim has clouded your brain. You were so bent not being invited at our Vegas Parking Garage event you banned me in the middle of promoting it on PWI. So that makes you a liar because it not only proved of your extreme Jealousy of Jim but you ban people multiple times for probably sadistic reasons. What gets me is your the only guy I know who's jealous of Jim. Yea and right you never had an alcoholic drink in your life....just another lie right up there with how you can powerwashing a 100,000sq' garage with only 500 gal of water. No wonder why you called Jim for help on that article. Try telling the truth & get off the bottle already.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
Give it up Scott. You proved nothing. Your continous Jealousy of Jim has clouded your brain. You were so bent not being invited at our Vegas Parking Garage event you banned me in the middle of promoting it on PWI. So that makes you a liar because it not only proved of your extreme Jealousy of Jim but you ban people multiple times for probably sadistic reasons. What gets me is your the only guy I know who's jealous of Jim. Yea and right you never had an alcoholic drink in your life....just another lie right up there with how you can powerwashing a 100,000sq' garage with only 500 gal of water. No wonder why you called Jim for help on that article. Try telling the truth & get off the bottle already.


John I do not Know what world you live in, recently word is Jim couldn't afford to get a trailer out of hock.

I truly feel you saying Scott is Jealous of Jim is one of the most ridiculous stories you have told to date. In fact I don't even believe Jim is jealous of Scott, he would only ever be jealous of himself because thats all Jim thinks about.

Scott Stone has worked in this industry for contractors rights, he worked hard to make his business a success. Believe me he is a success far beyond 99% of the guys in this industry. If I was jealous myself it would be Scott Stone, not necessarily because of the monetary Value on his business. Scott Stone has a great life beyond his business & Money, he is raising a great Family and wife supports him 1000%. Spiritually Scotts a Solid man, someone you can count on. You see in life money to me doesn't mean much because at the days end we are not taking it with us. Friendships from guys Like Scott, Tony & Doug cannot be bought. not to mention they are priceless.

John I hope you truly find your place in this industry one day, I hope you find peace in your life. Disrupting others in this industry is getting old.
 

Clean County

New Member
The Board was unanimous in the decision to move forward on Las Vegas problems and OC.

Its all documented by the Enviro Committee, this committee stands separate from the BOD and operates in the best interest of the org. and the members of the industry to fight over regulation any place possible.

Your will find its members of this committee are also behind Scott & Tonys Team 100%

Unlike the works of Robert most of his Career he and his son do what ever they feel like, they do not operate transparent with the team. History has proven otherwise, they have left or thrown off various industry affiliations for Various reason. Mostly do to not being able to have there way, they often have taken there ball home because the outcome did not go there way.

Robert on this Last situation burned more bridges, he threw some folks under the bus. He was caught in a situation with OC he could not Back out of, the documents Tony obtained proved these things.

The real issue John is that he got people in Gov and the industry in some trouble, we dropped the issue because a person at the Gov was having severe issues over this because she was deceived when they only thought they had been helping us. (Meaning the PWNA as the industry Leader) coming to find out Robert is just a guy who wants fees for his services. Its all in print, he asked to be paid by the OC.

Theres nothing wrong with Robert Selling his service , but please do not pretend to represent me in my profession through a Profit corporation that you been telling people has been operating as a not for profit.

Your own words John you stated Robert open the PWNA and ran it as a profit org for nearly 10 years. Is this a bit scandalous? I paid money to this org under false pretense , you know they only applied in 2006 with Everett as the president.

1000's of dollars from private training and certifications not kept track of for years.

John Nearon may have me fooled but i Believe he's another good man being lead in by the guys who control and run the org. Maybe they can really change it. I hope the PWNA finds its own identity far from the Daryl , Paul , Mike & Robert Camp. These men have held back this industry far to long, the guard had to change one day. The day is here!!!!!!!

Ron first off your post are much more educated then Scott's who just keeps on crying about Jim. Since you run the UAMCC your the person to talk to....so let's talk. As you know both of Robert's orgs the PWNA & The UAMCC were started as "For Profit". I was involved with the PWNA when Michael Beaudry filed for the "non profit" status in 06. That's 9yrs ago.

When you & I re-upped our UAMCC membership in 09 with the new guys running it your org advertise it was a "not for profit". Within a yr we found that to be not true. You were tossed around this point & they were obviously gunning for me as well because I to questioned this. Jump to today I still can't say for sure the UAMCC has ever became that "not for profit" because the paper work has never been seened. The only thing you & I saw was papers illegally signed & you know this to be true. So what does this all tell you? These orgs have the EXACT same history and why is that?? THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME FOUNDER!!

The OC case we have Scott Stone who for a lack of a better word "Lied" about what his true intentions were when he sent that email to them. I have his email and all agreed who seen it what Scott's true intentions really were and they weren't good. I also have Robert's emails & as usual he ask for the world & in your words above where you see nothing wrong with that... I agree. So we'll just have to disagree on the "OC debacle"

Now to Tony Sheltons manuscript let's talk about something productive instead of beating the dead horses above. Since you run the UAMCC can you get me that manuscript? I'll pay for the shipping if the UAMCC is tight on funds. Heck if you search PWN here you'll find Carlos posted about how my wife & I donated to the UAMCC so you can surely find the $10 in its coffers to send it. I really want to see how Tony came to the conclusion that I wanted to hurt contractors.

Thanks in advance.
 

Clean County

New Member
John I do not Know what world you live in, recently word is Jim couldn't afford to get a trailer out of hock.

I truly feel you saying Scott is Jealous of Jim is one of the most ridiculous stories you have told to date. In fact I don't even believe Jim is jealous of Scott, he would only ever be jealous of himself because thats all Jim thinks about.

Scott Stone has worked in this industry for contractors rights, he worked hard to make his business a success. Believe me he is a success far beyond 99% of the guys in this industry. If I was jealous myself it would be Scott Stone, not necessarily because of the monetary Value on his business. Scott Stone has a great life beyond his business & Money, he is raising a great Family and wife supports him 1000%. Spiritually Scotts a Solid man, someone you can count on. You see in life money to me doesn't mean much because at the days end we are not taking it with us. Friendships from guys Like Scott, Tony & Doug cannot be bought. not to mention they are priceless.

John I hope you truly find your place in this industry one day, I hope you find peace in your life. Disrupting others in this industry is getting old.
Ron as you know Scott attacks me everywhere & anywhere. It use to always be about Jim this Jim that & I should do something about this. It was his constant crying about this that put a wedge into our "Internet Friendship". Jim concluded long ago Scott was Jealous of him because he only works a few days a month and he owns 4 houses where Scott works everyday cleaning buses & always always always gripes about him on the net. It wasn't me who ever concluded Scott maybe Jealous of Jim....so now you know what Scott already does.

Scott's changed & when he banned me in the middle of us promoting the Vegas Parking Garage event on PWI showed clearly how he's changed.

I continously extended Olive Branches to him after he attacked me...one of them was giving him a recommendation for his bus contracts right after he banned me at least 3x at that point. He also told me he pretty much shizzcanned the Ruth Pic he got thru me from Babe Ruth's family. Scott knows this all to be true.

I just wish he would get over this & deal with Jim on his own. I want him to stop attacking me, my family, my friends & anything else I do. He maybe a good person to you but he's far from to me and that's uncalled for so there is no need for you to vouch for him to me. If he's not man enough to work with me to solve this wedge then he should just leave me alone.

As for a group I belong to a few with the PWRA as one of them. There has to be at least 50 UAMCC members in the PWRA as well...& until any and all of my bans are lifted from the UAMCC I will not talk highly about Robert's org until that happens.
 

Clean County

New Member
Ron-- Re-read above because once again I offered Scott an Olive Branch where he never does reciprocate . I got to run because I have my crews out working and they need me for an equipment issue. Get me Tony Sheltons manuscript if you can.

Thanks
 

Scott Stone

New Member
Ron as you know Scott attacks me everywhere & anywhere. It use to always be about Jim this Jim that & I should do something about this. It was his constant crying about this that put a wedge into our "Internet Friendship". Jim concluded long ago Scott was Jealous of him because he only works a few days a month and he owns 4 houses where Scott works everyday cleaning buses & always always always gripes about him on the net. It wasn't me who ever concluded Scott maybe Jealous of Jim....so now you know what Scott already does.

Scott's changed & when he banned me in the middle of us promoting the Vegas Parking Garage event on PWI showed clearly how he's changed.

I continously extended Olive Branches to him after he attacked me...one of them was giving him a recommendation for his bus contracts right after he banned me at least 3x at that point. He also told me he pretty much shizzcanned the Ruth Pic he got thru me from Babe Ruth's family. Scott knows this all to be true.

I just wish he would get over this & deal with Jim on his own. I want him to stop attacking me, my family, my friends & anything else I do. He maybe a good person to you but he's far from to me and that's uncalled for so there is no need for you to vouch for him to me. If he's not man enough to work with me to solve this wedge then he should just leave me alone.

As for a group I belong to a few with the PWRA as one of them. There has to be at least 50 UAMCC members in the PWRA as well...& until any and all of my bans are lifted from the UAMCC I will not talk highly about Robert's org until that happens.

Show me where I have attacked you, or your family. I have asked before, and you have offered nothing, because there is nothing. I have defended myself, and called you a liar. I also think that you need some serious mental health help. For what it is worth, I want you to show me somewhere where I have preemptively attacked Jim. I have done nothing more than defend myself. 3
The only olive branch that you have extended to me has been to tell me to apologize to Jim. As far as I am concerned, Jim is not what he pretends to be. He has no employees, brags about engaging in income tax fraud, and illegally dumps the hazardous waste that his subcontractors collect as they clean parking garages. I would even make a relatively safe bet that I have more experience working a pressure washer wand in the past month, than Jim has in the entire time he claims to have been in business.
Additionally, when he came to Phoenix, (believe me, I didnt beg him, in fact, he tried to get away without paying the $50, because he doesnt have a checking account) It was abundantly clear to every person there that he had no clue how to operate a pressure washer. You trust Ron, and even Ron has said how obvious it was multiple times.

Get a life John, and leave me alone. I have asked it before, you continually bring my name up, and yet, you are so consumed by sucking up to Jim, and as you put it in your terms, kissing his ass, along with Michael, Daryl, Robert, ad infinitum, that I honestly don't think that you could recognize the truth any more.
Jim, and you have done more to harass me, and my business than anyone other entity out there. Between the unauthorized back ground checks, the unauthorized credit reports and financial reports, and someone misrepresenting themselves as me at conferences, (the way I found out about this was because my customer was one of the people that was approached. He called me right away asking if I had someone at the conference that would say that they were me.) all things that I have proof of, I think that it is only fair that I should defend myself against false accusations. Add in the rumors that my business is failing that are constantly being spread, it is hurtful and damaging.

Yet, you have the gall to say I have unfairly attacked people. You should be ashamed of yourself. That you used to be a cop, that should be able to make some discerning observations makes me fearful.
 

Clean County

New Member
Show me where I have attacked you, or your family. I have asked before, and you have offered nothing, because there is nothing. I have defended myself, and called you a liar. I also think that you need some serious mental health help. For what it is worth, I want you to show me somewhere where I have preemptively attacked Jim. I have done nothing more than defend myself. 3
The only olive branch that you have extended to me has been to tell me to apologize to Jim. As far as I am concerned, Jim is not what he pretends to be. He has no employees, brags about engaging in income tax fraud, and illegally dumps the hazardous waste that his subcontractors collect as they clean parking garages. I would even make a relatively safe bet that I have more experience working a pressure washer wand in the past month, than Jim has in the entire time he claims to have been in business.
Additionally, when he came to Phoenix, (believe me, I didnt beg him, in fact, he tried to get away without paying the $50, because he doesnt have a checking account) It was abundantly clear to every person there that he had no clue how to operate a pressure washer. You trust Ron, and even Ron has said how obvious it was multiple times.

Get a life John, and leave me alone. I have asked it before, you continually bring my name up, and yet, you are so consumed by sucking up to Jim, and as you put it in your terms, kissing his ass, along with Michael, Daryl, Robert, ad infinitum, that I honestly don't think that you could recognize the truth any more.
Jim, and you have done more to harass me, and my business than anyone other entity out there. Between the unauthorized back ground checks, the unauthorized credit reports and financial reports, and someone misrepresenting themselves as me at conferences, (the way I found out about this was because my customer was one of the people that was approached. He called me right away asking if I had someone at the conference that would say that they were me.) all things that I have proof of, I think that it is only fair that I should defend myself against false accusations. Add in the rumors that my business is failing that are constantly being spread, it is hurtful and damaging.

Yet, you have the gall to say I have unfairly attacked people. You should be ashamed of yourself. That you used to be a cop, that should be able to make some discerning observations makes me fearful.
Your getting so bad at lying your starting to believe your own stories. You should seek out a doctor for your illness. When I was a cop people like you were designated "mental aided's" & many times we wisked them off to the psych center so they don't hurt themselves or others.

Here is just some of the proof of some bad things you have done and was indeed an attack on my family. #1 you encourage & allowed my wife to be attacked on PWI in that Ruth post. I should've contacted the respected PWI administration Grant instead of confiding in you to do something here. You loved the ratings & your response was you will do nothing & you we'll keep encouraging others to basically attack my wife & Ruth's family. Unbeknownst to you I had administration powers there but I didn't need the title like you did so I ripped that post out forever and it stays copied in my drawer. Everybody was disgusted with you here. Then you started lying again that I do that all the time when it was you who was time & time again changing people's post without the edit appearing. I never ever banned anyone there but you lied again and said I banned people...NO only you do Scott and many times each on some. Your known as the ban King.

You also know my wife is a majority owner of our business like I know your wife is of yours. My wife & I paid for your plaque which just recently you posted on FB you threw it out. So that is another slap towards my family by you.

You have probably 100's of post crying about Jim just like you do here. Why your so fascinated by him only you know the answer to that.

Probably your biggest lie of all is you professed to never had a drink of alcohol when so many of your post especially in the past came off like you were drunk and dying for attention. One of the things you begged was to show people your income statements when no one cared. What sober person would do that? None I know of. So leave me alone, my family alone & stop bad mouthing people all over the net. Get a life...
 
Your getting so bad at lying your starting to believe your own stories. You should seek out a doctor for your illness. When I was a cop people like you were designated "mental aided's" & many times we wisked them off to the psych center so they don't hurt themselves or others.

Here is just some of the proof of some bad things you have done and was indeed an attack on my family. #1 you encourage & allowed my wife to be attacked on PWI in that Ruth post. ................... so I ripped that post out forever and it stays copied in my drawer.


Please take a picture of that post with your phone, or scan it and post it here.
 

Clean County

New Member
Please take a picture of that post with your phone, or scan it and post it here.

Sorry Tony I'll never release that post to the public because it was attacking my wife & Babe Ruth's granddaughter continously. After Scott authorized & encouraged others to keep doing this & told me he will do nothing here that's when I copied the 20 or so pages from this thead & then proceeded to remove it permanently on the net because I had those administration type controls there. All I wanted was Scott to pull into moderation the attack on my wife. My mistake was not asking Grant & if I did it myself Scott would LIE to all I do that all the time which he has done since then.

So no I will not release that thread ever because of those attacks--- & why that happened then once again only Scott can answer that.
 
Sorry Tony I'll never release that post to the public because it was attacking my wife & Babe Ruth's granddaughter continously. After Scott authorized & encouraged others to keep doing this & told me he will do nothing here that's when I copied the 20 or so pages from this thead & then proceeded to remove it permanently on the net because I had those administration type controls there. All I wanted was Scott to pull into moderation the attack on my wife. My mistake was not asking Grant & if I did it myself Scott would LIE to all I do that all the time which he has done since then.

So no I will not release that thread ever because of those attacks--- & why that happened then once again only Scott can answer that.

The prosecution rests.
 

Scott Stone

New Member
nope, I have never had a drink of alcohol. Now, this is where you are supposed to post that you have never taken Ambien.
Also, you are seriously mistaken. I was admin on PWI for a long time, and only banned a couple of people. Some I allowed back in, like you, but you continued to stir crap up, just like here, so you ended up getting banned again.
As a funny side note, Ron and others were begging for you to get banned long before your final ban for life, but I was protecting you. That is the reason that I am the one that finally banned you. You had over stepped the bounds for the last time.
I have never deleted or edited any posts, except Ron's. I did Ron's because his grammar and spelling were atrocious, and his message was getting lost in the grammar. For you to accuse me otherwise goes beyond conjecture. I will not protect someone from sounding like a fool, and you and Jim are perfectly capable of looking foolish all by yourselves. The difference is, especially with Jim, is you two will say something ignorant or stupid, and when held to the fire, will say that someone edited your posts, instead of taking personal responsibility.
Your unwillingness to show the post proves that it does not exist. That you would accuse me of something other than that is nothing more than defamation. Something that you seem to be really good at, by the way.
 

Scott Stone

New Member
Incidentally, if you go to post 195, you are the one that started attacking me. I have been defending myself, though I will admit that I have been getting more and more pointed in pointing out that if I do have faults, they pale in comparison to all the vicious personal attacks that you have done on me in the past. Of course that Jim is your friend, and the crap that he has pulled and false accusations he has made are nothing to be sneezed at.

Oh, and the only person that has ever given me a lifetime ban anywhere has been you. Guess what? they all have been reversed because they were baseless and petty.
 

Tony Evans

Member
John, it's clear that you are a true despicable person. The constant lies you get caught in are spiraling out of control and yet you continue to accuse other with no proof.
 

Scott Stone

New Member
This time, type in Pressure Washing Institute where the stars are. Another request by John to be banned. So duplicitous. Complains that he cant get banned by request, because he cant control himself, and then complains that he got banned. There is help for that. It may require additional medications, and electrodes. Post 27
http://www.************.com/board/u...he-PWI-STAFF-and-members/page2&highlight=Ruth

Sorry for the double post. I had business to take care of and it took more than ten minutes.
 

Clean County

New Member
Incidentally, if you go to post 195, you are the one that started attacking me. I have been defending myself, though I will admit that I have been getting more and more pointed in pointing out that if I do have faults, they pale in comparison to all the vicious personal attacks that you have done on me in the past. Of course that Jim is your friend, and the crap that he has pulled and false accusations he has made are nothing to be sneezed at.

Oh, and the only person that has ever given me a lifetime ban anywhere has been you. Guess what? they all have been reversed because they were baseless and petty.
Your pathetic. I never banned you anywhere so that makes you a liar once again. Rob Huffman banned you on TGS because of your attacks & lies over there. To me your just pathetic and a liar.. You were banned on PWC because you also attacked and lied about the owners of that bulletin board to.

When you had the controls anywhere a few of us saw you editing people's post behind their backs and you wouldn't show it was edited. So once again that makes you a liar. I will say this you finally admitted something we already knew..you were editing people's post and you have banned others as you stated above but thats nothing compared to what you did in the past.

I'm calling a spade a spade... & yea right you never drank your probably drunk now. I have a feeling you maybe Jealous of more people then Jim... but you cry about him 24/7. Your biggest mistake was calling Jim to help you with that article...that was your undoing and your problem which showed you aren't to smart now are you.

Leave me and my family/Friends alone...
 

Clean County

New Member
Heres' one of the many things Scott did as an Admin. If you look closely(Old pic) you will see Scott banned me and he threw Beth under the bus by putting her name on my ban. When I caught this I was smart enough to take a picture this time because Scott would change things behind peoples back continuously.

So what happened here is Scott denied he ever banned me with Beth's approval on it. Beth at first said Scott would never stoop that low..... and when she wanted to see the proof I told her she is really going to be disappointed to see how Scott is "Leveraging our Friendship". So when she got this she was flawed, disappointed and then ultimately disgusted. She sent this over to Grant the Respected PWI admin and he was disgusted as well from what I was told.

So this is a smidgen of proof what Scott tends to do late at night when he's probably drinking. He denied and denied this until he saw this pic because I sent it to him..... and thats how I found it today searching through old emails.

Now you guys know....and I rest my case...
 

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