Pricing Help

Jeffrey B

<br><b>Premium Member<b><br>
Hey Guys- I now have a pressure washer on order and I am looking at pricing my first big job. Thank you Phil Ackland. It is a Hotel less than 1 year old . The exhaust system has 3 major fans on a 3rd floor setback The fan models are LAU Industries and are large model ROUL222 -15n. The service they have been receiving is a monthly wipe down of the hoods but no pressure cleaning as of yet. The company providing service is one of the biggest in the city and the Hotel is unhappy with their service. There are areas where the exhaust system runs horizontally 50-75 feet then shoots up 4 stories from the 1st level basememt. We are going to inspect the ductwork to see if it has acess panels in place but they have to schedule a scissor lift cause the ceiling is 30 feet off the floor above one of their main meeting rooms. The duct is wrapped in 2 hour fireproofing material. Being that this will probably be one of my first jobs (Lord help me!) any idea on how you would price this? I was going to ask him what his target budget is because they are trying to cut costs but I want a rough idea of what to charge based on linear footage.
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
Let me get this right - you have the PW on order and you are asking how much to bid on a complex job like you just mentioned. I would give Phil a call and ask him. This is not a easy job and I would consider something a little less problematic for your first job-give me a break.


David
 

Jeffrey B

<br><b>Premium Member<b><br>
All I was asking for was an estimated price per linear foot of ductwork. Sure the job is complex but it is not impossible and will be enjoyably challenging. I have worked in the building service field since I was 20. First in the water treatment field which included cleaning all types of air and water systems, then in pest control. Careful planning, proper coordination, a little luck and everything will be fine. I am having them certify it is type 3 welded and including the fact that we will not be resposible for water damage if in case there is a leak. .
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
All we service are small to very large hood systems and I can tell you you are getting in above your head for a starter job. You are asking for problems.

You best not have a problem because the morning staff should arrive at 0430 hrs. So work fast.

David
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
Look give me a call if you would like-send me a Emails and I will return my number.

David
 

Dave Olson

New Member
"There are areas where the exhaust system runs horizontally 50-75 feet then shoots up 4 stories from the 1st level basememt. We are going to inspect the ductwork to see if it has acess panels in place but they have to schedule a scissor lift cause the ceiling is 30 feet off the floor above one of their main meeting rooms. The duct is wrapped in 2 hour fireproofing material. Being that this will probably be one of my first jobs (Lord help me!) any idea on how you would price this? "

"Careful planning, proper coordination, a little luck and everything will be fine. I am having them certify it is type 3 welded and including the fact that we will not be resposible for water damage if in case there is a leak. ."

You are going to need more than just the Lords Help!

This is a "Main meeting Room" and you think that they will sign off on a contract "Contractor will not be responsible for water damage!"

I'm with David Saulque, this is too large a project for someone just starting out. Call Phil, ask him if this is a project that he thinks you should start out on! Maybe you could sub it to a more experienced contractor in your area.

Dave Olson
 

Douglas Hicks

New Member
I have about 20 years in cleaning exhaust systems. My first job was a 12 foot hood with a 15 foot duct. The only way I would tackle this is with my best helper, and at least one other helper. I have real doubts that a person of your experience level could do a good job on this system. Start with something smaller. Go back to the resturant & explain you are not qualified to do this job, keeping your options open for service at a later date. I can see serious problems if you take on this job. make sure your insurance or your funds will cover carpet cleaning/replacement in the meeting room. A litle bit of greasy water on the carpet may be expensive. If you do this job and mess it up, your competiors will have a field day every time your name is mentioned. We all take on jobs we shlould not, that is the way we grow, but be realistict. If you do this job, let us know how it goes.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 

Jeffrey B

<br><b>Premium Member<b><br>
Alright already. what we are going to do is cut in access panels every 12 feet over critical areas and scrape and clean them by hand. We will pressure wash the lower hood ductwork and the fans. You guys scared me. :rolleyes:
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
No, you scare me - you will put everyone connected to the job at risk. If something happens you have told everyone that you have decided to service this monster as your first introduction job, based your experience as a bugman.

We don't need to spend anymore time on this topic.


David

:mad:
 

Jeffrey B

<br><b>Premium Member<b><br>
No this will not be my first job. It is my first BID on a big job. I am trying to get a baseline on how to bid it. I already have ads in the paper for part time experienced cleaners and am looking for a foreman. I am already contracted for the middle of June with 3 Hood jobs. 1 with a duct that goes through the ceiling 1 floor with the fan directly on top, a second with a 15 foot vertical drop along the side of the building and, and 1 with a 3 story drop along the outside of the building along with monthly cleaning of the interior. I have also been told by my present customers that most are not happy with their cleaners and are willing to try me based on the level of service they have been getting from my Pest control company. As far as being a "bugman" I was previously the operations manager for an industrial services company providing water treatment, air filtration and water filtration. I have acid cleaned 750 ton condensers and their associated cooling towers, cleaned numerous other open and closed systems and boilers, provided coil cleanings to high rise office buildings for their Liebert units, and provided associated services for the air and water industry. True, I have no hands on experience cleaning grease exhaust systems but with careful planning, proper coordination, a clear view of the systems characteristics all will go well. I will get this job,(unless I bid too high) I will do it and I will be successful in this industry.
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
You are the one who came to us and asked the question and now the answer is not to your liking. You are the who further stated that you have your PW on order. What should we be thinking?

Have a Good Day

David
 

Jeffrey B

<br><b>Premium Member<b><br>
I appreciate the comments of all the experienced people that replied to my question. There is a wealth of info here that is unique to anything that I have seen in any industry. Dan Flynn is getting his donation. To be honest I probably wouldnt have placed those ads that I did for Sundays paper if I didnt receive the response I did. It is also true that it is easier to keep a good reputation than it is to repair a bad one. Thanks to all and I will keep you abreast( and ask a Sh..load more questions) as we get deeper into this new endeavor.
Best Regards
Jeff Klein
APM corp.[hello] [hello]
 

David Saulque

<b>PWN TEAM - Hood Moderator</b><br<b><font color=
You are always welcome. Keep us in the loop and I am sure your next question will be well receved.

Best of Luck on the MONSTER

David

Note: when you get into this job, only go as far as you can in one night and clean up and back out to restart the next night. I would bet that this job will take you two plus shifts. Keep your eye on the clock.
 

jschessler

New Member
Monster

That is cool that you want to take that monster on, we all do when we are starting. How many hood jobs have you done with a powerwasher if you have one in order? There might be a reason why they are wipping it down instead of pw the hoods. If you are going to use the pw on these hood system get yourself a Exhaust hood swivel with adjustable nozzles and about 75 ft of synflex 3130 Hose since is very flexible compared to regular pressure washing hose. Scrape the first time a clean the second time that way it will be easier the next time around and remember how much water you use, specialy if you have never used a pw on a hood system. With the swivel it will push the water downstream if you adjust properly. Almost forgot get the the cart with wheels to hold the swivel up when doing the horizontal area. Oh try to get the most since is a special job , that way if you get it you will be happy with yourself.
 

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