Starting out on wood - a few questions, please help!

Torque454

New Member
I would like to start washing wood. Decks, fences, etc.

I have tried many products on my deck and my fence - the deck and the fence are old and in bad shape. I have been UN-successful at cleaning it satisfactorily. I have been able to get the fence to go from grey back to a "new" wood color, but its not really a bright clear "new" like wood surface. Some of it I did with just water and pressure, Some I tried bleach, some i tried oxy clean, some i tried with sodium hydroxide, some i even used a deck/fence wash which was liquid oxalic acid, but it was one gallon that was SUPPOSED to make 3 gallons if i remember right. Even then It took some serious scrubbing with a deck scrub brush and I used it pretty much full strength. It was like $12 a gallon and the results still werent totally satisfactory. It provided the best results so far but still not good enough.

And I worked my a$$ off on a 6x6 section scrubbing and spraying. This is simply not acceptable.

Now. First off, is it possible the wood in my fence/deck is too old and in too bad of shape to be cleaned up properly? And second, is it possible that the gallon of deck wash (that was supposed to be mixed with another 2 gallons of water) too weak?

Ive found oxalic acid at one of my local chemical suppliers for .90 cents a pound and is sold in 55# bags. That makes a bag about $50.

Caustic soda beads (lye, NaOH, sodium hydroxide) are .60/lb and sold in 50# bags. That makes a bag $30.

The killer at this chemical supplier is the 12.5% bleach - $5.80 a gallon!! Good thing that isn't what I want to use on wood. I use that for houses (and I'm looking for a different supplier for that - ive been using 10% bleach used for pools @ 3.99/gal)

But anyways. If I need to use caustic soda - say for stripping stain/sealer or severely weathered wood - How many pounds per gallon of water? And how many pounds of oxalic acid should I use per gallon of water for deck/fence cleaning - for both normally weathered wood and for severely weatherd wood? Really need some help here guys. Its costing me business and thus money not being able to do wood. And I have a deck job I can get here in just a couple days.
 

Torque454

New Member
Also can i get away from having to scrub, and especially scrub so hard, and still get wood clean? I know not to use high pressure or hot water, and I know about feathering in and not stopping abruptly and all that stuff which can mark or "fur" the wood.

Also I have the potential to get a job washing a deck that is stained and is attached to the TOP story of a house with a walk out basement. Meaning the deck is on the 2nd story.

How do I go about stripping that and not ruining everything below or beside it? It has vinyl siding and I assume that caustic soda will melt or otherwise ruin vinyl siding and likely the grass and everything else around it. Also what do I do about the bottom side? I dont think much of spraying caustic soda above my head and then rinsing it off (also above my head).
 

Xtreme

New Member
Give David a call at SouthernStainandSeal.com and he will help you with what ever you need. He will even explain the process to you. Oxalic does not clean the wood it is used as a neutralizer for the sodium hydroxide and percarb cleaners to bring the pH back to neutral and brighten the wood.
 

archie_MN

Moderator
A couple answers for you:
Anything more than 2000psi means you're cleaners aren't strong enough or that they haven't had enough dwell time.
I am yet to see the wood that is to old to restore, unless its rotting. (my deck just turned 24)
Forget anything you've read on a big box store jug.
In several thousand decks and fences, I've never scrubbed. Use stronger chems.
SH, SH, and oxalic are all you need for wood. (though sadly I'm still working out my concentrations as well)
Try Menards for 12.5% SH, it's like 1.60 per gallon.
Ready Seal is by far the easiest stain to use.


Feel free to email or call me if you want more wood info.
 

Calob

New Member
hey Jake, if you don't mind I would like to give you a call and ask some wood questions. Got a fence job coming up and would like to be better prepared to handle the task.
 

archie_MN

Moderator
hey Jake, if you don't mind I would like to give you a call and ask some wood questions. Got a fence job coming up and would like to be better prepared to handle the task.

Sure. I'll be available for most of the afternoon today
 

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