Your Method of Sealing?

[PUREPOWER]

YO,

I brush.
I roll.
I pump.
I pee.
I poop.
I prefer my Graco 190es airless.(different tips for areas,plus power rollers)
I also use my Graco 4900 hvlp cart with pressure pot.
That is for lattice, trim work( I paint ALOT), and windy conditions(overspray is at a minimum) I use it for solid color rails.

Do what you feel is the best for YOU!!
I don't recall spinning a reversible tip though.......interesting.

Jordan[sb]
PURE POWER
High Pressure Cleaning

 

[Steven Rowlett]

We use the Deckhand sprayer to apply SK-60 Clear, a linseed oil base penetrating stain. With the ball valve on the Deckhand and the cone nozzle you can adjust the pressure to about 20 Lbs. We sell the SK-60 Clear and the Deckhand also.
Steven Rowlett
ROWLETT PRESSURE
CLEANING SERVICE

 

[DECKSAVERS]

METHOD OF SEALING

HELLO ALL,

I'VE BEEN READING THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE AND I HAVE LEARNED A LOT OF NEW TRICKS.

MAYBE EVEN SHARE SOME OF MY IDEAS AS WELL. I USE AN AIRLESS SPRAYER, GRACO 395 ST 1999 MODEL AND A 2001 MODEL 395. THE NEW ONE HAS THE SMART CONTROL THAT KEEPS THE PRESSURE FROM SAGGING ON THOSE LONG FLOOR RUNS.
WE USE A 213 TO 217 ON RAILING AND USUALLY ANGLE THE TIP SO MOST OF THE PRODUCT HITS THE RAIL. WE USE LARGE CARDBOARD SHEETS ( FROM FURNITURE STORES) ON THE INSIDE (STAPLED ) AND THEN REMOVED. THIS IS VERY ECONOMICAL AND WE JUST PITCH IT WHEN IT GETS TOO FLIMSY.

FOR THE FLOOR , DEPENDING ON THE TEMPERATURE, CONDITION OF WOOD, ETC.. WE USE A 417 ALL THE WAY UP TO A 535. IT MAY SOUND CRAZY TO USE THAT LARGE A TIP, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE REALLY DRY WOOD THAT IS DRINKING IT UP, YOU SAVE TIME GOING BACK OVER IT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP PUMPING UP THAT SPRAYER. I USED TO TRY TO PUT ONE REALLY HEAVY COAT ON BUT REALIZED THAT TWO LIGHTER COATS ARE BETTER, AND ACTUALLY USE LESS PRODUCT.

WE USE TWP, AND CUPRINOL OIL BASED AND THE SUNBLOCK FROM SHERWIN WILLIAMS. THIS SET UP WORKS WITH ALL 3.

AS FAR AS HAND BRUSHING GOES , WE BACK BRUSH THE SECOND COAT ON THE FLOOR ESPECIALLY WITH A FOUR INCH BRUSH ATTACHED TO A BRUSH EXTENDER ON A 6 FOOT POLE(VERY EASY ON THE BACK).

WE MASK OFF THE HOUSE WHERE THE DECK ATTACHES, AND EXCEPT ON WINDY DAYS DON'T HAVE MUCH TROUBLE WITH OVERSPRAY. 3M HAS A VERY NICE MASKING MACHINE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE PAPER OR FILM. IT TAKES A FEW JOBS TO GET EFFICIENT AT IT, BUT I FEEL IT IS QUICKER THAN HAND BRUSHING THE AREAS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.

SORRY FOR THE LONG POST, IT TOOK ME FIVE YEARS TO LEARN SOME OF THOSE METHODS.

THANKS
JASON

 

[Steven Rowlet]

Jon, You will love the Deckhand. The cone shape nozzle works great. Also the Deckhand now comes with a ball valve to lower the pressure.

 

[mhpoole]

Staining

We use only GRACO, Anyone else use Penofin, I can believe i havent seen anyone using this amazing product. I use the Airless for the railing, cutting in next to the house about two feet, I use a Painters Drop cloth for overspray on the railing, reason for that is the drop cloth soaks up the stain, plastic just makes a mess. As for the floor, after sanding, i cut in about 6 inches next to the house with a brush no need for taping, after a while you just get good. And if you have a quality stain you dont even need to get next to the house, the wood absorbs the stain right to the edge, kind of neat then I either use a pad or a pole with a heavy knap to get in the cracks, then let soak in for 1/2 hour and wipe off the excess. Penofin can be bought at Home Depot.

Mark Poole

waterworksnw.com

 

[ron]

mhpoole

do you use all three types? how long have you been useing pennofin? ive used it and like it but its only been 6 months since i applyed it and want to know what to exspect[blue lable] i want to go to the red also want to try the pen. for pressure treated. Are home depot prices better then there web site? My depot dos'nt sell it but i do have a local supplier.

 

[mhpoole]

Penofin Products

I use the blue label also, the red is really for the person who always wants the best. Those are the only two i would use. the other is for hardwoods like exotics and nobody really has a deck like that. I live in Oregon, and its very wet here the penofin really holds up nice, just follow the directions, i always stain 2 times the first year. Most stains depending on area will last between 9-18 months, unless its covered or in a really dry climate. I swear by the stuff. Nothing goes on easier, doesnt show overlap marks, has great penatration. I would stay away from the lighter colors, stick with cedar, western red, and trans red, maybe sable, but thats all i use, you will have problems with the other colors. I have seen alot of decks done by companies and most are looking shabby at best. Most stains just dont seem up to my standards i guess. Home depot is cheaper then everybody. I do have a few vendors that match their price when its out of season and im still doing decks. But home depot is the spot to get it. I have been using Penofin for 3 years, most of the decks i do are cedar. Home depot sells Blue label for $106.00 per 5 gal, red label is special order and will cost more.

Hope this helps you with your staining.

Mark Poole
www.waterworksnw.com

 

[ron]

they make

if you go to the penofin site they make a stain just for pressure treated wood. That was the type i was wondering if you used? It hides the green tint of the PT wood.
On a deck that was sealed say last year do you apply over top or strip and re apply?
I am thinking of useing READY SEAL because ive been told you can re coat 3 times before you have to strip it and this would save a customer a ton of money. I could offer a 3 year maint program. Orig. price to strip ,brighton,seal, then clean and reseal at 50% for the next 3 years.
What do you think? Anyone?

 

[reedsterstl]

I use a variety of sprayers. Use the backsaver pump up by wolman and use the "Deckster". The deckster allows me to tune the pressure on the gun and on the pump itself. Came with two cone nozzles, but want a fan tip for the fences. Pretty neat piece of equiptment.

Reed

 

[Deck Man]

Roll & Brush

Ok my 2 cents worth. First of all I Never use a solid color product on any exterior jobs. I have found over the years that no matter what you use it will eventually peel back and flake off. If a customer wants it solid I nicely explain to them it's trouble waiting to happen, and if they still insist then I refer them to another contractor. I will never forget a customer who begged me to solid stain her deck and spindles. Ole Softy here caved in and did it but with the written contract that stated she would supply the product and no guarantee would apply. Well the very next year I received a call and she was fuming at the flaked up mess that had occurred.
I have used many products over the years and settled on WoodGuard for log homes and Swedish Wood Oil on decks. I tint them to the customers likening, and have never had any problems (knock on wood). I reapply another application between 6-18 months (depends on the wood), and give a 5-year warranty (from the date of the 1st application) that the wood will repel water.
Almost forgot why I posted lol. I brush everything but the deck. I Use a 10 gallon tub and roll while my employee follows me with a 4 inch brush attached to an extension pole.

Check out there website: www.woodguard.com

 

[Steven Rowlet]

One tip, We switched from using cardboard as a backer to 1/4" plywood a half sheet or smaller works well and will last a long time, don't have to worry about disposal.

 

[johnisimpson]

hello everyone,

I've got a question about application technique with sikkens. It was my first understanding that all coats had to be applied by brush, but now I'm hearing that only the initial coats have to be applied with brush and the finishing coat can be sprayed. Can anyone confirm this or give me more accurate information?
I'm noticing that a lot of posts are concerned with sikkens peeling, could that be due to application technique (specifically spraying instead of brushing)? Does anyone know sikkens approved methods?

 

[rvagnoni]

John,
I really don't think spraying is going to be a factor on whether it peels or not. It's has to do with the type of product Sikkens is.

 

[beng]

Hi,

I am new to this forum. I have been searching for the greatest sealer of all...

On deckguide website, menwood 200 is 75% solids and is oil based...

Does anyone heard of an 100% solid sealer, not water-borne, not water based, not oil...

Ben (Canada,Quebec,Gatineau)

 

[ron]

beng, that would be a powder coat and that's only for metal.
...

 

[beng]

Originally posted by ron
beng, that would be a powder coat and that's only for metal.
...

Hi Ron, not exactly, the product I found is an acrylate resin, 100% solids, penetrates deeply into the wood and becomes part of the wood, will last up to 20 years on fence and 10 or more on decks.

It's call One Time, created by Dever Enterprises, take a look at it and tell me what you think...

Thanks

Ben

 

[beng]

Hi Greg,

Is Menwood200 available in Canada?

Thanx

Ben G

 

[rvagnoni]

Beng,
I would be interested in your experience with this "One Time" sealer for wood. Especially since you are new to this board.

 

[Greg Rentschler]

Hi Ben,

We toyed with the One Time and another comparable product... both Acrylate Resin formulas and while the concept is good the product still needs improvements. The products are truely clear in color and provide little to no UV protection... therefore graying of the the structure still occurs naturally. They have introduced pigments that can be added in now but then the product color is only retained for at most 2 years. At $75 a gallon I couldn't yet bring myself to buy into this "space-age" product. Another concern was on removal of the products... anything that creates an epoxy type bond within the wood worries me when/if it comes time to removal.

Menwood is available for shipment TO canada.

Take Care,

Greg Rentschler
TimberSeal, Inc.

 

[Chris Detter]

Hey Greg,
Sorry I don't stop by more often. That picture of the combo deck you did looks good. I'm so glad your using Ready Seal. We have stayed with it now for over 5 years and still love it. Were still crankin over 700 decks & fences a year (our office) with good customer satisfaction , the popularity is growing at a great rate.

Our method is cutting in by hand (next to house), pre wetting & Tarping grass & concrete below, spraying with the "Deckster" on spindle and floor then flat padding the floor to get rid of puddles.

Take care man, have a great year. Chris Detter/ Sun Brite, Inc