Richard,
As a former police man you should know better than any of us what it takes to establish proof. Although Dan is an upright guy and is honest in his opinions, he did not offer any substantial proof other than his word. Usually that would be good enough for me, but I have enough experience to nkow that interpretation is everything. As evidence of this, you say Ron said negative things about Dan's board, and I say that he did not.
As for Ron's supporters sugar coating the facts to absolve ROn of wrong doing, it is obviouse that you do not know any of the people that are supporting Ron. I thikn that the majority of us are not easily bamboozled or likely to "sugar coat " the facts. There is literally nothing in it for us, so why would we temper the truth?
As for me trashing Dan and Cody, give me a break!! I trashed everyone that is willing to attack someone that can not defend himself because he is banned from the site. I am sure that Ron is not lily white and pure. Most of that is a matter of personal interpretation.
As for Cody saying negative things about Ron, especially about using Pseudonyms, and causing problems. You need to note one thing, this is coming from a guy that is absolutely opposed to helping anyone new in the industry, and I believe thtthis would include you. He is however perfectly willing to ask for help from others. On top of that, Try e-mailing him when he is not expecting it, he won't find the e-mail because he "doesn't check" that account. Basically, it is a dummy account. If you do manage to get a hold of his business, you better know what his first name is, ( and it is not Cody, that is his last name) otherwise, no one will no who you are asking about. Basically, Cody goes an all of the boards to breed discontent and provide disinformation. He certainly is not here to help, he has even stated that much. So in my opinion, Cody is a non issue.
Dan, is another story. His board sytarted out with a grand idea. He wanted to make it a members board, and even stated as much. He was even planning on paying fo rit out of his own pocket. About a year ago, David Saulque suggested that people start donating, at that time, Dan started requestiong donations. It was somewhere in the same time frame that he also started selling advertising. As far as I am concerned, that was totally his perogative, and I support him in his decision. I also chose to contribute my time abnd efforts in a different way than sending money. Quite literally, I usually do more helping than being helped. I enjoy it, and look forward to it. I don't think that I should have to pay for the privilege.
Sorry, I got off on an irrelevant tangent. Dan has stated that he has intercepted e-mails, and that Ron has denigrated him on his board, and you support Dan in this statement, that is your choice, and I will back you up in supporting Dan. I don't feel that Ron has said negative things about Dan, or his board. I do know that in all of my conversations with Ron, he has encouraged me to post an all of the forums, and has said nothing but positive things about Dan and his board. He is just taking the idea in a different direction, so it is not a copy of Dan's board. There are a ton of differences that create a more free exchange of information. The rules are the rules, and I feel that Dan is more restrictive in his rules.
As for Dan bringing my name in the mix, That is his choice, but I stand by my statement. Ron has done nothing wrong in my opinion. There are two things that he has done that might be construed as wrong. 1. Using Dans e-mail system to e-mail people, mainly people that he thought would be interested in his board, and 2. Copying messages from Dan's board onto his own board to give a repsonse. The first, I could see how that could be thought of as bad, I don't necessarily agree that it was, but it is a matter of interpretation. The second was out of necessity. Dan had Ron blocked, and Ron wanted to make a reply. For what it is worth, I don't think anyone has been blocked off of Ron's board, in fact, everyone has been welcomed with open arms, I am sure that htis would include, Dan, you and Cody. If you choose not to post there, that is your own choice. I will continue to post anywhere that I am welcome, as long as I have something to offer.
I'm done and doubt I will come back to this message to check for responses.
Feel free to call me if you want to discuss it on the phone. If you don't want to pay long distance charges, call me and I will call you right back and pay for the call.
Scott Stone
