EPA -ENFORCEMENT ON P.W.

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Jim&Shirley

Guest
Here in Memphis its on a volunteer basis, not to say you won't be fined the first time, they will give you a warning and notify you that there is a hefty fine. We have never heard or seen any enforcement patrols.

Do they enforce in your area? If so how? Would like to know exactly how you stay EPA compliant.


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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
I think it should be enforced to a certain extent. Depending on situation and industry. However regarding pressure washing. I think it is only happening in towns were it is politically motivated by companies that want to sell the equipment to recapture the waste water. To bad they are not putting that effort in for the right reasons. It's about money not pollution. I think that is wrong. Take a look at the whole picture and you will see what I am talking about.

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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash
www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
 

Jon

New Member
Darn, Dan F. can read minds.
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Exactly how it is here to a big point. Some are doing it fairly but not all areas get covered.

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
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Hotwaterwizard

Guest
Thanks alot! I sell Water Reclaim Systems and capture systems but, I have no influence in local government or EPA issues. I am not out to get any of my customers when they do not comply. I just help them when they want me to solve a problem with the powers to be. We as distributors do not go after people like you. If we did all of our customers would no longer trust us and they would all be in jail! It makes me mad to see someone put me in a catagory such as the one you guys have put me in. <FONT COLOR="Red">THANKS ALOT GUYS!</FONT c>

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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
If you re-read my post you will see I was not directing that view at all distributors. Just because some do,does not mean they all do. There is good and bad in all fields and aspects of life.

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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash
www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
 

Mark

Moderator / Sponsor
From my 20 + years experience in the industry and knowing countless Pressure Washer Distributors all over the United States, I have never met a distributor or heard of one who has that type of political clout, or for that matter practiced "whistle blowing" to further his or her business.

I think that you might look at the "Bleeding Heart" liberal environmentalist for the whistle blowers.

Most of whom put more value on the lives of spotted owls, whales etc. than on the value of human life..
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Darn! Now I am getting riled up.

I told myself I was not going to get in to politics etc. and here we go!
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OK I took a walk around the block and calmed down a little!
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I know of many Pressure Washer / Waste Water Recycler / treatment Distributors, including myself, and a few manufacturers who have worked hand in hand with CETA, Contract Cleaners," EPA officials, city, state and county agencys, to come up with "Best Management Practices" for "Surface Cleaners" In some cases local authorities wanted to shut down mobile wash companies completely, we helped work out solutions to the concerns about "Non stormwater discharge" etc.

This was done on our own time, without compensation at our own expense.


Seriously though guys you are barking up the Wrong Tree!

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Mark McIntyre: AKA: Pressure Washer Zone Man.
PressureWasherZone.com EasyCleanSystems.com
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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
I think we are getting off track. I never said anything about whistle blowers or clout. I am referring to a different approach. Acting as the educator and the concerned party. Which creates heat and sales.

I am surprised that you are taking an indirect statement directly.

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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
 

Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
I agree 100%, I just wanted to make sure everyone understood what I was saying.

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Dan Flynn
Timberland Power Wash
www.powerwash.net
Houston, Texas.
 

Jon

New Member
Whiz and Mark, put your guns away now.

There was this couple who pressure wash that used to follow other PWs around taking pictures then turning them in.

They then went after the accounts and got them, funny thing is they got caught too!!

A lot of you know about this, some of you might have met them at the PWNA if you were there and if you went though the seminar on waste water you met them.

I understand PWNA was not to pleased and they KNEW about the background of this couple too. Why would they want someone who breaks the law running a seminar is beyond me.

They had an article in Cleaner Times', no where in the two or three pages was any reclaim or recapture system showing, go check if you want to be sure.

I do believe they read this board but never post.

<FONT COLOR="Orange">Now Whiz and Mark, tell us what systems you guys sell. If it is Water Boy or Little Sucker I know all about them. Would never by a Water Boy.</FONT c>

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

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Mark

Moderator / Sponsor
Jon,

My guns are back in their holsters!
Actually they never cleared leather.

Here are a couple of the systems we sell the stainless model with the Easy Clean Systems logo, uses an Alkota Coalescer, and a filter skid by Easy Clean Systems, we have sold a smaller version of this to a local contract cleaner.

The orange poly Alkota CSF-1 is our best seller, we sell these mainly for stationary applications, IE: Concrete truck washing, farm equipment, heavy equipment, manufacturing , auto recyclers, etc.

I have several "Contract Cleaners Customers" who are upset because they feel there is not a level playing field. These guys have taken the time & expense to purchase capture and or recycle equipment, and reclaim their washwater as prescribed by the local Stormwater, and sewer districts, problem is most customers do not want to pay for the extra costs. Some other guys wash and or steam clean with no care or concern for regulations or the environment.

I feel that the professionals who do recycle and or capture their water, and use Best Management Practices will come out on top, I understand the frustration of doing business by the book, when your competitors are not.

I will try to find a copy of the "Best Management Practices For Surface Cleaners" I have spoke of several times.

Oh well time to head to work!

Have A Great Day Guys and Gals!
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Mark McIntyre: AKA: Pressure Washer Zone Man.
PressureWasherZone.com EasyCleanSystems.com
Mark@easycleansystems.com

916 638-0828

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Cali

New Member
Jon,

I know of the couple that you are talking about, and I know the story to be a little different. I also hadn't heard anything negative from PWNA about those two. Just curious what you heard about them before going to Orlando.
Cali

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Jon

New Member
Cali, you have been dropping hints all along it is you two, I would like to see you admit it, keep in mind it takes a strong person to admit things like that, are you stong enough?

Ok this is what I was told by PWNA when I asked if they know about this couple:

<FONT COLOR="Green">"Yes we are aware of their past".</FONT c>

After the show I heard from a few who attended it was not all that great. No I was not there, spoke to some that were there so what I heard is second hand and might be do to some not gaining a thing from it, might be it was not all that great.

I know one who does and most likely still does, taking pictures and posting on his web site, we all know who he is. LW the 3rd. Wonder if he is in jail yet or still selling franchises.

It is possible that you have changed, but I am not concerned about that, only what you did is not right. Would you like to be followed around and have pictures of you working taken then turned over to the authorities just to be able to walk in and gain an account?

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633



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Mike Hughes

New Member
Dear "Cali"......

Kinda hard to be anonymous when your posted email address is ktillery@whatever...

Welcome to the board, Kendra. Although it is not the most energizing and exciting topic in the world, I did happen to enjoy your seminar in Cleveland, and I did not hear the negative comments about your business practices as was mentioned above.

I hope all is well.

Mike Hughes
Everclear
Souderton, PA
 

Cali

New Member
Well, I wasn't hiding anything; I have made it known where I live and what I do. Not to mention the fact that I claim to not only be compliant, but that I take care of dealers. And yes, Mike, I obviously I wasn’t hiding my e-mail address either. The only thing I had not done was come right out say it. I don’t use this or other forums to grandstand. I realized this morning after reading your post, Jon, that you hadn't figured it out. So, I played devil's advocate. And since I am NOW KNOWN, let me set the record straight. Get ready, this is gonna be a long one.…

FIRST of all,
"There was this couple who pressure wash that used to follow other PWs around taking pictures then turning them in."

I changed my business over VOLUNTARILY, and after doing so, I was personally threatened, by ONE contractor here in Orange County. Not only did he call me and say that he was going to find all of my accounts, and would “do them all for free if I have to, just to wipe you out of businessâ€, I later received a death threat. I had gone out talking to MY customers about the changes we were making, and why. This other contractor came in to MY accounts that I had had for quite a few years, and tried to yank them from me, all based on price. Now, if it had just been “competition†that would not have been a problem. The problem was that this contractor came in and offered my existing customers work, for not only ¼, (or less), of what I was charging, but even offering to do work for FREE, just because he was mad at me for the dealers asking him questions about his operation. I know quite a few other contractors that have had as many problems with this individual as I have. I am not the only one that got hurt. The issue was unfair competition, and the manner in which he conducted things is a crime. (California B&P code 17200)That was the problem. And because the enforcement was sporadic at best, I could never get anyone to listen to the problems I was having. The customers refused to pay more, simply because they believed they dictated the price. So we started pushing enforcement. We also started an unbelievable public outreach program with the local EPA. We were trying to establish what the rules really were. In case none of you know, there has always been somewhat of a gray area when it comes to this field. By showing what we COULD comply with these rules, as opposed to having more, strict, ridiculous rules FORCED down on us, we could all achieve compliance without the help of their notoriously heavy hand. In the end, after numerous formal warnings to this contractor from the County, and the State, they filed Criminal charges against him. Through a plea bargain with the DA’s office he was fined and placed on probation with strict limitations against the disposal of hazardous wastes into the storm drains. And Convicted of CA Fish and game code 5650(a). On top of that, we have personally filed suit against 13 dealers here in Orange County for knowingly and willfully contributing to not only the unfair competition, but for the willful disposal of toxic/hazardous materials in to our storm drains. THIS is what will establish that WE, as contractors, dictate who they can use, and how it gets done. Not them. We can get back to a time when our customers were choosing contractors based on their merits, and not on price alone. ***Note: Before this even became an issue, this guy had a long criminal history including a Felony conviction.

Second, "They then went after the accounts and got them, funny thing is they got caught too!!"
NO, I have never been warned, fined, received any informal or formal notice of violation from any group, being government or not. Let alone being charged or convicted of ANY crime, State or Federal. And again, I never went after ANYONE ELSE'S ACCOUNTS. I was only trying to maintain the ones I already had. My compliance was VOLUNTARY, not forced.

Third, "A lot of you know about this, some of you might have met them at the PWNA if you were there and if you went though the seminar on waste water you met them." Yes I am the one that put on the seminar in Cleveland for the Environmental Certification Test for PWNA.

Fourth, "I understand PWNA was not to pleased and they KNEW about the background of this couple too. Why would they want someone who breaks the law running a seminar is beyond me."
PWNA has known my “background†since day one. If any of you were in Columbus OH for PWNA in the Fall of 1998, I was asked to get up and speak at my own expense, and spill my guts out about everything we were doing. I have been trying to establish a fair and equitable playing field for legitimate contractors since day one. Every enth of this entire issue has been about the right to earn a fair and honest living. It has not been based solely on anti-pollution. You have to ask yourself this question.. Would you stand up for the rights of everyone in the face of adversity, such as this after already making the changes, having done everything right and absolutely nothing wrong, Would you be willing to lose everything to so that fly-by-night illegitimate individuals can’t control the market or the industry that you have worked so hard to promote? I got an overwhelmingly good response from contractors and distributors at that show. I can not tell you how many times I have been thanked for taking the beating that I have so that everyone else benefits. They were actually grateful that someone was finally taking a stand about both the gray area with the environmental regulations, and the fly-by-night guys that screw it up for everyone. Now I am reading a public bashing because some people seem to have heard a botched version of our story, and do not really know what we have been through or why. PWNA specifically asked me to put together the Certification because of the amount of knowledge I did have, the work that I have been doing with regulators, and because I had been trying so hard to get this information out to other contractors for the last 3 years. If you want to accuse me of anything, accuse me of trying to help any and all other contractors so they did not end up in the same position that I was in. Again, it’s obvious you are not aware of this, but my business suffered greatly, because I tried to stand up against the low-ballers and the fly-by-nights. I had to take such a stand for this that I virtually slit my own throat with some of my customer base. And as far as PWNA is concerned, they have supported me for the last 3 years in everything that I have been doing. So, No, they did not put someone up there that had been convicted , charged, or even notified of wrong doing, and was just “doing their time†if you will. I didn’t stand there and say, “I screwed up, and learn from my mistakesâ€, I have said, “We moved to compliance in good faith, and hopefully the beating I have taken and the refusal to back out, will allow everyone the opportunities and the understanding to further their business through compliance.†I didn’t want to see anyone else end up in this position. And I still believe that All other contractors will benefit from this in the end.

Fifth, “They had and article in Cleaner Times’, no where in the two or three pages was any reclaim or recapture system showing, go check if you want to be sureâ€

I gave Cleaner Times a stack of pictures, when asked to write the article, and did. and those are the ones they picked. I had no say as to which ones actually went into the article. So, I really shouldn’t have to justify mismatched pictures. Besides, do you have full knowledge of the grading and drainage systems at that location? NO. Do you know what was outside of the scope of the camera? NO. Were you there? NO. These are simply your assumptions. I would recommend you leave them as such and keep them to yourself.

And obviously, the last statement: “I do believe that they read this board but never postâ€. Obviously, once again, you make erroneous statements without any knowledge of fact. If you have any other questions or comments, please e-mail me before you contribute to the furthering of viscous and unfounded rumors.
Kendra

P.S. – Jon, I answered this post before you made all of your edits. So, the questions don’t quite match anymore. But, the generalities are still addressed.


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Shrido

New Member
Cali. i would like to thank you for your response about my post on oil booms and pillows after reading This post i am interested in seeing the pictures of the system that everyone is talkin about here, as i didnt see the artical that yall are talkin about. could you tell me who makes it and how it is used? Any help would be appreciated thnx John


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Jon

New Member
Cali, first off I am not bashing you and I think I made that clear, I don't bash or flame others.

Now I won't take as long as you did, but first I do thank you for coming out ok, like I said it takes guts to do it and you did so we shall meet someday and I will shake your hand.

Now the first part of what you said I have read someplace but to be honest I am don't quite recall where.

Now for the rest of it, I did redo my post a few times, one because I saw something I said that was not totally correct so it came out.

second reason is I wanted to shorten it as much as I could to stick to the main topic.

The part about that death threat, I too would take something like that seriously and go to the authorities.

Grandstanding, hardly, you replied to a post in a postive way, I am the one who forced it out and I did not do it to hurt you ok, just wanted you to know you could not really hide.

About the PWNA knowing, I am aware since I spoke to Avery long before the convention and he admitted he knew, he did not hide that fact nor did either of us push the issue.

My sourch for your being caught I did hint who it was, a very unreliable person himself so if you have not been then he laid, again
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. Sorry but LW does it as a living.

One last thing and you won't like this, but why would or should I Email you before I post things about you or anyone else? (if you really have more to hide and want it kept secret Email me and it will never get posted or spoken in anyway). However I do not believe in censorship.

<FONT COLOR="Red"><FONT size="5">I shall have nothing more to say on this post. Can we now put it behind us and work together to improve the industry and help our fellow pressure washers.</FONT c></FONT s>

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

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Cali

New Member
One more thing, before we close this topic. The first section I wrote, I have published and spoken in many different places. So, you could've read or heard it anywhere.

My comment about e-mailing me, is very simple. I would prefer you asked for the facts before you make comments about me or anyone else for that matter. When you Didn't think you knew who I was, you were the first to post things that were not true. Whether you thought they were or not. I was always taught to question everything. And I still do. That is all I am saying there. I too agree that we should be here to help others. And I hope that you have all seen that that is my purpose.

I noticed the hints, and I guess I am happy to say that I do not know who you are reffering to. If he personally told you these things, than don't be afraid to tell the rest of us who he is. It would only be fair to know who this person is. Especially if he is continuing to purposely tell people those bold faced lies. And if you don't believe in secrets, than post it here. We can all benefit. The initals alone tell me nothing.

I hope EVERYONE understands the position that we are in much better, and does not see us as the bad guys. We aren't. And all the accusations that have flown in many places are not true. We really are just 2 contractors that were forced into an extraordinary situation, and we are trying the best we can to make that situation work to everyone's benefit.
Kendra Tillery
Polished Perfection Mobile Pressure Washing

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Jon

New Member
Kendra,

I said it before, you left hints and I knew it was you two.

I did not do this to make you look bad nor cause harm to you ok.

The slate is clean so let us all move forward and drop this.


It is over.

PS: Kendra go read your Email.

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

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