Washing RV's - what to use

[Richard R.]

Just a thought, but has anyone tried the RV Parks? I may have missed this idea in some of the other posts, but wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask those who work, own or run these parks or camps?
We have a KOA Camp grounds here in the area that have an RV Hardware store on site. I will contact them if someone needs me to. I'm sure they would have some great workable ideas that would help someone who is looking to specialize in RV cleaning.
My opinion would be to visit them, find out what is in these special cleaners and then contact one of the guys on the board that sells these types of chemicals.

If I may say on Steven Rowletts behalf, it is my understanding that Steve comes from a long family history of chemicals and chemical experimentation. He seems to be very knowledable in the use of different chemicals and there working ability.
I have personally used Steven's products and can confidently say they work. I truly believe Steven will help anyone on the board without pushing his product. He seems to share his information based on his personal knowledge because he makes, sells and uses his own products.
Isn't that what this board is all about?

I didn't know that telephone numbers of our members were being deleted on this board. I don't understand. What is the ideology behind this?
Isn't the original body of this board based on the social needs, aspirations or achievements of us power wash guys and gals?

Just wondering.
Richard R.

 

[Steven Rowlet]

Thanks, Richard

 

[Mike Hughes]

Originally posted by Richard R.
I didn't know that telephone numbers of our members were being deleted on this board. I don't understand. What is the ideology behind this?

Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

Historically, we try to favor the sponors of the board, the people that contribute to keep it running. Greg does the same thing........notice the word Sunbrite doesnt show up on his board anymore..........you only get ******** Same deal. You do what you have to do.

 

[Richard R.]

"Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about."

Mike,
I'm referring to Steve Rowlett's post 15 down from the top.
He says his telephone number was deleted.
Since I posted my last post, I have thought about it and I think I may know why, but I'm not sure.

I can't respond to your entire post because I'm not sure you understood my post.

Richard R

 

[Dan Flynn]

Sorry I missed all this action! Steve I was being sarcastic as you probably know. I find it hard to believe that a professional company continues to break some very simple rules. As you even louder state in your follow up post.

If I asked you to please not advertise here unless you help support the bbs like other sponsors. That should be it.

I knew what you were up to and called you on it againnnn. It's a tiring task chasing adults around. I feel this bbs has a right to make rules and be consistent with them. It amazes me that people feel they can do what ever they want regardless of the rules and defend by saying I was just trying to help.

That line is a favorite line from people in the past that continue to go against the few rules this bbs has. In my opinion a professional company would step up to the plate and sponsor the bbs or stand on their own two feet and solicit customers on there own hard work and dime.

 

[Aplus]

Really I have no idea why so many things should be censored. Sure, sponsors pay to have a right to advertise, but if they are confident in what they sell, then they should have no concern, if somebody posts their phone number.

In fact, after rereading the posts in this thread, it seems that their is a difference in ideology between the administrator and the assistant administrator. Are the rules made up as we go along, or are they clearly defined?

 

[Dan Flynn]

You know Tony people can do what ever they want. I don't have the time for these games. When a problem arises I address it as best I can.

People know what the rules are. Nobody here cares if someone mentions a name of a product or company. It's the motive behind it that becomes a problem.

Thank God spring is here! Sorry you seem to be having some problems with things around here lately. I hope we can work out all the kinks.

Thanks for your continued support to this bbs and industry. As far as style and or rules. There are plenty of bbs out there to check out and get a different feel from time to time.

As far as Mike, he has a right to voice his opinion, we all have our own way of viewing things and I think it's healthy to say what ever you feel.

I have known Mike for years and value his opinion and generosity. He is really a great guy. Our different views and sometimes conflicting ideas are just that. It's healthy communication. That's what makes these bbs so much fun.

Meeting people like you and Mike along with all the other personalities out there never would have been possible with out this avenue. I value that regardless of this or that.

So from time to time when issues arise, sobeit! Deal and move on.

Have a great day.

 

[Richard R.]

Dan,
I think most everyone respects you and your board and I know from time to time their are games being played, but I'm wondering if the lack of understanding the rules sometimes plays apart in the brief conflicts that appear every now and then.

I know sometimes I'm afraid to say certain things for fear it may show disrespect toward you or the bbs supporters. The fear comes from my lack of comprehension of the rules. In that I mean that there are some people who can say things and nothing is ever said, then someone else can say the same thing and their post is deleted or edited by the admin.. This makes it difficult to communicate, not knowing whos toes are being stepped own.
I'm not saying this is exactly the way it happens, it just seems that way sometimes. When I see or hear that this happens, I become reluctant to tell someone everything about an issue for fear someone may read something into it that I didn't intend to say especially if there is a brand name or company name involved.
I think this is the reason we see many folks saying, "email me or contact me and I can help".
I believe we loose alot of good information for this reason.
Even now, I am almost afraid of sending this post for fear I may have said something in it that may offend someone or cause an uprise.

Would I know how to balance something like this? Probably not.

Just my thoughts.

Richard R

 

[Larry L.]

I'm like Dan,sometimes it gets to me knowing others knows the rules but still throws dirt on the floor by not repecting Dan's board rules.Like he has said they are plenty other bbs out there they can say "e-mail or call me,I can help" and the way I look at it if they are saling powerwashing supplys they are breaking the rule by sneak attacks like that,they are other ways of getting hold of the people asking for help if your wanting to make a dime off of them but the bad part they are useing Dan's dimes to do so.

You help by making post if you can really help,I get tired seeing "e-mail or call me,I can help",heck for all we know they are telling them wrong or we could have a better ideal if we seen how they could help............as Dan has said What ever floats your boat,you make your own name.

 

[Aplus]

I guess I don't read between the lines enough. I never really stopped to think that people have other motives than it appears. With that in mind, as I read the posts, I will have to try and think about it with a different perspective. Maybe then I will see the gamers out there.

Overall, I think this is a great forum, and the people here are second to none! But sometimes I read things, where people seem to be getting riled up, or burned in the collar, and I just don't see why, unless they have something else at stake.

I browse thru all the different bbs' and each has it's own style (and cast of characters), that's for sure. Variety is the spice of life. There is a great amount of knowledge to be learned from each and every one. For that, I am thankful to all who give their time and $ to provide such a place.

If I occasionally step on toes, sorry, cause I've got big feet. Sometimes it's hard to always be politically correct when you're trying to get your point across. Sometimes people don't accurately reflect their thoughts with the words they type. But after you get to know certain people, you begin to realize that's just the way they are, or the way they express themselves.

And finally....you mentioned spring....huh? It snowed here yesterday! People aren't even thinking about spring cleaning yet, but rather whining about the crappy weather. Hopefully, some normal weather will return, and business will pick up so I can utilize all the new stuff I've learned here.

And what the heck does all this have to do with washing RV's????

 

[Steven Rowlet]

Dan, Sorry that you feel this way about me. This is my last post.

 

[ExtremeMPW]

I have to agree with Mike's post and reiterate what several other posts have mentioned.
Initially my post asked for information on "how to clean RV's." Several members offered good ideas/suggestions on how to accomplish that. One person chose to offer his opinion/information by requesting that I contact him.
Now, I completely agree with the rules stating solicitation is only allowed for those who sponsor the bbs. Dan, that is your RIGHT to demand and expect that. But are the words "contact me via email/phone for information on how to clean" a solicitation? If that's the case, then I dare say others have violated that rule as well. Here again is Steve's initial response to my request:

Tim contact me, I have a few customers that have RV's that cost in excess of $150,000.00 and I can help you on the best way to clean them.

Notice, his response doesn't include a reference to making a sale or even a mention of a product. But the very next post reads as follows:

Why not tell us all Steve?

Steve responds advising of the reason he chooses not to (the rule of non-solicitation by non-supporters). Now, suddenly, there is a big discussion about the "rules of the board, how others feel about someone else, etc, etc." Hey, I just wanted some information, not to begin a thread that would result in hard feelings, accusations, and ultimately a whole different subject than intended.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this -- let's try to keep the information dealing with the question at hand.
I consider myself very new at this despite working part time for 2 years, and accept ANY AND ALL information/suggestions/ideas as valuable and useful. I have found that when subject matter becomes subjective (based on opinion, assumption, or perception) instead of objective (based on fact), that's when problems arise. Many will offer information based on opinions. Some will back it up with facts. Choose wisely!
Dan, great site and very much needed. Thank you for your devotion and insight. If I may offer a suggestion -- handle situations like this individually (phone calls/email) so as to avoid character or professional assassinations in public and alleviate any feelings of fear by new members, such as myself, of posting something that others may find offensive.
Just MY opinion.

 

[ron]

ron p

oh well there goes another professional that wont be helping here anymore.
He should have followed the rules.
Speaking of sponsers lets all talk about ZEP products and how well they will clean them RV'S
or ENVRIOBLAST MAGIZINE[ as it is now known.] well not anymore they have ahh ahhhh changed[this month] i now support blastmaster, i would'nt before because i allready get a sales paper from another supply co. FREE.
With less then 10% of all contract cleanning people even have internet access,then what %
even knows of this site,then its busy season. We dont need him he has his own BBS system now anyways.
I want to help people out and lots of times its easy'er to tell them to go to a web site that i have found. Not only have i tried the web sites products but found info on that site very helpfull. When you get to the 30th person asking how to get white off of brick, do you find
it better to give a web site, tell them to use the search,tell them to call you, spell it out all over
again, or just let them hang?
I wish you could get 1 major sponser here that lists chems and uses just like the board DELC*
oh yea you do why not let ZEP do it. They sell more chems then anyother co. on the net.
They are one of the few brand names allowed to be fully printed here and I dont remember any posts about there chems.
Well MR ZEP, how would you use to clean them RV'S ? not what type of chems, HOW?

 

[Glenn]

Guy's,
It's really sad that all this started over a guy saying email or call me, in a post trying to help someone. I really don't see were this is a violation of "the rules". I haven't known Steve all my life but I have known him long enough to know that he is a genuine, caring, and helpful individual. I guess what I'm trying to say is if he's not good enough for this board then I guess I'm not either.
Glenn

 

[Larry L.]

Now how did I know That was coming from you Glenn,I was hopeing Steven meant this thread but I new better.I said to myself wonder how long it'll take Glenn to jump off too,hahahaha and ya'll call yourself saleman,hahahaha.

Hey when you grow up to become a salesperson come back and see me sometime,I like to run againest a saleman that throws business at a salesperson....
See it goes to show you what I said was true and now you think just b/c ya'll got your own bbs you don't need to help here as in "" I can HELP call ME"".Besides did you know I know they are Q'tions asked that are not really wanting help or to know how but only to sale a product or push a product,when I see those kind of post and the one's answering the Q'tion I think to myself I wish those guys where better salespersons than that b/c alot us so called salespersons where once a salesman too........if you run over other peoples rules by sneaking around I feel sorry for the ones that trust you b/c ya'll run over them to in time.

I like both of you guys and thought Steven was smarter than that but knew you wasn't yet,like I said they are other ways in saleing your products here like a good salesperson should and its smiple to do and ifen ya run off you may never learn how to be a salesperson which is alot easier being then a salesman or ya going to quite asking flate Q'tions too on other bbs,hahaha you guys kill me hahahaha.

If I asked to barrowed money from you and you say call me I can help with your money problems while others wanting money too what made me so special than the others was it b/c I ask first or was it the special problem he ask about.

MPW hopefully you'll read between the lines in this thread and become a salesperson not a salesman they are alot of difference in the two.

Hopefully You both will rethink like good salespersons should,really I'm alittle disappointed in both of you for acking like kids running to play elsewhere b/c Dan said what ever floats your boat but knew his rules was being broken,you cann't ask for a better friend than that.

 

[Mike Hughes]

Oh, now theres a big suprise............

I have a better idea, Glenn. Why don't you just be the bigger man and stick around and follow the rules??

 

[Dan Flynn]

I know this thread was about RV's and unfortunately ended up in a different direction.

Steve if you choose to leave that tells me you were not here to help but sell. You can easily help and explain how to clean an RV with out saying email me. This bbs is for helping right here not via email or the phone. You could have explained the way you do it with stating the main ingredient in the chemical you use that available in many others as well.

But I guess your advice comes at a price hhhhhmmmmmmm. Your chemicals or no advice!

Its funny theses conversations start after a salesperson has to be told several times in private as suggested above. They force these not me.

Glenn talking about disappointment!!!!!! Boy you have a lot of nerve. If you for some reason need me to back this in detail let me know. You turn colors like a leaf in the fall. Stay true to what you say and do. You’ll prosper. Life is about giving not taking then running when the well dries up.

I also find it interesting that people keep saying I don't want to say this or that, about this product or that company.

For the 100th time. You can say what you want about any product or company. These posts only happen to people who ask for them many times.


They only start when the salesman gets mad and starts the poor me stuff trying to drag the unknowing contractor with them. Then they knock the bbs they prayed upon for months. Then they open there own and get there little beans off by knocking this one. I'll take that as a complement. Yet in time there free for all isn’t so free anymore. I think consistency is key to be true.

Funny I just read a post on Glenn or Steve’s bbs not sure of the owner. Talking about advertising. Saying it was ok without being a blatant advertisement. Well that's the same here????? So when I come over and advertise my roof witch I guess that will be fine.

Just as Ron you will see that this is not an easy task and maybe then understanding of what a fine line one must walk when administrating a bbs. You stated you don't want your bbs to become one big advertisement. Well how do you plan to do that?

It's amazing how the salesman try to tarnish the very place they prayed upon, met the people they sell too and learned from.

As for the people who say, how come some can say this or that and others can’t? Simple answer! The contractor can say anything they want in good faith, the salesperson and there little helpers they send out can't.

However the people that help run the bbs on there own time have companies of there own and families too. We can’t chase around every scavenger out there. Some get by and unfortunately that's what keeps them coming back.

This can go on forever, but if Bigboy can see it. I know everyone can see it. Bigboy is one of not many who will tell you like it is, and is pretty much right on the money every time.

Be true to yourself and help if that's really what you desire to do. If not who needs ya? If your products are so great support the bbs that will teach the new guys which in time will fuel your store. If you can’t show trust, good faith and honesty on a simple little forum. How can you expect people to think you'll do that when it comes to them purchasing from you!


What a joke!

 

[Steven Rowlet]

Dan, I said it was my last post because I felt I wasn't welcome. I saw nothing wrong with my response and will still post if I am welcome. I have helped many people in the past that have never spent a single dime with me. I have taken calls from all over the country at my expense without selling them a single thing. I have offered help to others without asking for help myself. Maybe you forgot but I still do contract cleaning. I don't try to mislead anyone , I am much more mature than that and I have never treated anyone with the disrespect that has been showned to me here. What is your motive behind this board? The people that truely know me know what type person I am. When you reach my age maybe you will see the real me. I would tell you to call me to work this out but that is how this whole thing got started anyway.You make the call either you want me to stay or not so you let me know. I have made many friends here but I will leave if thet is what is wanted. You know I would of sent you $50.00 months ago if you had not been so arrogant to me,besides there is very little cost in maintaining one of these boards.

 

[Larry L.]

I said it was my last post because I felt I wasn't welcome.[/COLOR][/B] Now why you say that Steven,I said I like both of you,meaning Glenn too.

I saw nothing wrong with my response and will still post if I am welcome. ..For the 100th time. You can say what you want about any product or company... The contractor can say anything they want in good faith, the ""salesperson""and there little helpers they send out can't.


. have taken calls from all over the country at my expense without ""selling them"" a single thing.I am much more mature than that and I have never treated anyone with the ""disrespect""(please name one person that hasn't) that has been showned to me here.


You make the call either you want me to stay or not so you let me know.Hahahaha like I said ya'll just kill me,you where the one running off b/c of a simple little rule that you keep breaking,its not going to be NO skin off Dan's nose if you leave he's not making NO money off you,your the one thats has the most to gain by staying here but if you feel you need to run,run don't let the backdoor hit in the floor door on your way out,I feel that way about any 'SALESMAN' breaking the rules on this bbs.

Yes I know your a contact cleaner also but your also A salesman as Glenn is too.Did ya'll know you where salesman trying to be a salesperson,will ifen you didn't this is the way to learn,lol,I love both you guys and would like to try to help you to be a better salesperson but ifen you run off I cann't and when you get my age you got alot of teaching you can do.

Dan is usually around but stays to one side until something like this comes up,he knows we can usually work things out ourselves,he even lets the rules be broken until he has had enough DISRESPECT of a salesman,I think he was long over'do before he ask for repect and if you cann't repect him for that I feel sorry for you.A salesperson knows how to float his boat without any water,spend a dime make a dallor,he just buys he's water to float it in