Entering Unknown Territory

Navigator7

New Member
First....way nice website and great posts!

Second...I'm just about to step out into unknown territory by purchasing a steamer.

I own and operate a small concrete pumping business and a small crane service in a remote and sparsely populated area of Washington.

Winter kills my otherwise successful young business..... it just get's too cold here to pump concrete. The ready mix plants simply don't gear up for the cold weather because the contractors call it quits......so things just die.
Crane work also falls dramtically.

This year is a little different as a few contractors are simply going to try and pump concrete! The fact is they are losing lots of money due to contract obligations.

Every time I enter into one of these "Tough" cold weather pours, the conversation always comes up.... "If we only had a steam cleaner!"

The idea is a steamer would provide the heat in the ground the contractor is looking for before the pour and then heat the concrete after the pour.

I dunno.

I personally don't care how cold the weather is and how it will affect the concrete as the weather is trying to kill my expensive concrete pump.
However, working is better than not working! Risk is risk. If I can provide a tool that will inspire my customers to work...then that would be a good business move!?!

My thought is to purchase a steamer cleaner with several goals:

o Thawing gutters, pipes, ditches, septic tanks, drains and perhaps even removing ice from business entrances....and any variety of things that can be done with steam in the winter when no pumping is happening.
o Pressure washing my own equipment.
o Pressure washing other's equipment.
o Renting the cleaner to others.
and especially...
o Hopefully, run a sacrificial tube on the ground before the concrete pour in the form of loop or circuit with a water or water/glycol mix running back to a storage tank. I am of the belief a steamer can input enough heat to keep the curing concrete from freezing.

My customer wants to pour and if this option works for him....it will solve many dilemmas.

I simply want to be gainfully employed during the three or four months of snow and cold whether pumping concrete or pumping hot water thru a steamer.

My area is very small. My town has close to 900 people. I know everybody. (Instant name association) There is no steamer in my town except for a very old fixed unit at a fruit company.

There is one guy here who thaws pipes with a commercial pipe thawing machine...but the unit does not work on plastic pipe, gutters nor does it do anything to sidewalks or street drains. He does not have a steamer.

I'm considering a Steam Jenny 1550 OMP
http://www.jennyproducts.com/CombinationChart.html

I'd sure like some feedback here!
;-)
TIA
Nav
 

Mark

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We sold a Steamer to a guy in Alaska a few years
ago for thawing pipes. [hello]
 

StainlessDeal

New Member
Job I Miss Least (lol)

Nav, I (for a short time) operated a 32 meter schwing, so I know a little about your problem, but I'm no expert. That said, wouldn't the main problem be with cold joints in the pour and maybe in form release?
Also, I think you run into some trouble with slump and cure rates when the water you tank starts to change temp as it is added. I mean in fast temp change situations. We used to pour down to 20* air temp, but the 90's on the boom were problematic if it was that cold and there was any wind. Also any pause at all and I had to dump a hopper full and suck a ball back just to be sure the rig stayed slick.
I will say though, that part of that was caused by my rig's 8" barrels instead of 10". Less volume cools more quickly.
It also seemed like I had to fight the blender drivers over water and how much to add pretty constantly.

Good luck with the steamer idea, if it works, I'd love to hear more about it. I bet you could do the sacrificial line bit in flat pours pretty easily, and your customer could upsell as floor heat. We used to pour a lot of floors with lines in them for heating systems, we just never had them actively heating when pouring. Put your heads together, maybe.

Ever scald you hands on heated tank water when they've gone numb from cold? A pet peeve of mine.
 

Navigator7

New Member
Stainless,

I don't plan on using the steamer during the pour.
Mostly for preheating the ground and then, after the pour is finished, the idea is we would introduce a glycol mix that is heated and pumped thru the slab, the return would be pumped back into a water tank and recirculated.

Now, they use propane torch weed burners and I think it is a total waste...cept for burning weeds.

That is just one example....hopefully lots of other opportunities present themselves later on.

I've done a lot of hydronic flours but that is a lot of dough....I'm just trying to help a customer get in a few more pours than Mother Nature might otherwise allow.

Concrete pumping is a tough gig, isn't it?
 

StainlessDeal

New Member
One of the Toughest

Navigator7 said:
Stainless,

I don't plan on using the steamer during the pour.
Mostly for preheating the ground and then, after the pour is finished, the idea is we would introduce a glycol mix that is heated and pumped thru the slab, the return would be pumped back into a water tank and recirculated.

Now, they use propane torch weed burners and I think it is a total waste...cept for burning weeds.

That is just one example....hopefully lots of other opportunities present themselves later on.

I've done a lot of hydronic flours but that is a lot of dough....I'm just trying to help a customer get in a few more pours than Mother Nature might otherwise allow.

Concrete pumping is a tough gig, isn't it?


I hear you, it was one of the dirtiest, least predictable jobs I've ever done. I loved it, but had an accident (off the job) just as I was getting started and couldn't see demanding that a new boss wait for who knows how long for me to recover. That's what put me in this line of work.

I also think the burners are wasted effort except maybe those ground torpedoes the gravediggers use, and then only for little pours. Keep us posted though, maybe you have a service I could sell my old boss on! :)
 

Navigator7

New Member
I bought a Steam Jenny 2040-C-OMP for $4220.00 new.
They tell me it will still be warm in the box.
Problem is ...it's colder'n than you know what right now and I could use the dang thing tomorrow but won't see delivery until January.
They are 6 weeks lead time.
 

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