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Jon
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Yes I have used it, needless to say I am not sold on any concrete sealer.
My reasons being I did my own patio as a test, I cleaned it first, then sealed as the directions say, guess what, all the algae is back growing right on top of the sealer.
I was under the impression that once sealed it would not allow that to happen again.
My concern would be if it happens to me then it would also happen to drive through that I seal with the grease and oil.
My opinion only, not saying sealing is or is not the way to go and not saying it is foolproof.
I will say that you can make money off it but the cost factor to me was not worth it at this time.
I don't push it, mention it nor recommend it to my accounts.
Give this a thought, if you clean an account once a month but with sealing you would only need to clean it once a year how are you coming out ahead?
Jon
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
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My reasons being I did my own patio as a test, I cleaned it first, then sealed as the directions say, guess what, all the algae is back growing right on top of the sealer.
I was under the impression that once sealed it would not allow that to happen again.
My concern would be if it happens to me then it would also happen to drive through that I seal with the grease and oil.
My opinion only, not saying sealing is or is not the way to go and not saying it is foolproof.
I will say that you can make money off it but the cost factor to me was not worth it at this time.
I don't push it, mention it nor recommend it to my accounts.
Give this a thought, if you clean an account once a month but with sealing you would only need to clean it once a year how are you coming out ahead?
Jon
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
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Jeremy Garrett
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I have only done a test spot with V-seal but I was impressed with what little I saw. The spot stayed light colored when all the rest of the cement had gotten dark from being wet, so it appeared to block the whater out well, and it's basically permanent. As far as stopping mold and such, mold can grow on glass so surrely it's going to grow on any sealer or especially any horizontal surface that doesn't have a mildewcide. The idea would be that if mold can't make it below the surface because of the sealer than it cannot damage and break apart the cement, it should be a little easier to clean, and the mold might grow slower with the deep cement sponge water supply their to feed it. It also stops freeze damage, and crumbling of the cement from whater freezing in the pores of cement and blocks out oil and stains. I'm don't really know so much practically speaking but it seems quite strait forward and worth it to seal in my book. Good luck Jeremy
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Jon
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Jeremy,
About freezing weather, not a problem where I live, perhaps 4 days a year it goes below 32°.
Now about the algae and mildew, let me ask this of you, if it is on the top of the concrete as it is, to wash it off with hot water only, don't you think it also washes of the sealer?
I am open minded here as if it truly does as it should, and I would tend to think it does even if my other post sounds that way, explain about oil and grease dripping from cars?
Same rules apply? hot water and chemicals to remove it would remove the sealer too, right? If you say yes then what would be the point of sealing the concrete if you would need to clean it monthly anyway?
Explain please, or perhaps Jay of V-Seal might be willing to explain it in langauge we all understand rather then technical words.
Jon
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
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About freezing weather, not a problem where I live, perhaps 4 days a year it goes below 32°.
Now about the algae and mildew, let me ask this of you, if it is on the top of the concrete as it is, to wash it off with hot water only, don't you think it also washes of the sealer?
I am open minded here as if it truly does as it should, and I would tend to think it does even if my other post sounds that way, explain about oil and grease dripping from cars?
Same rules apply? hot water and chemicals to remove it would remove the sealer too, right? If you say yes then what would be the point of sealing the concrete if you would need to clean it monthly anyway?
Explain please, or perhaps Jay of V-Seal might be willing to explain it in langauge we all understand rather then technical words.
Jon
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
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Glenn
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Well,
I tried it, didn't like it. Customer wasn't satisfied so I had to refund her money. I'm $100.00 in the hole with it so far. I couldn't tell any noticable difference in the concrete after it was sealed. The customer thinks I just put some water on it or something. I have seen a sealer the DOT department uses on new curbings. It gives the concrete that bright white look. I know it comes in blue buckets, but I haven't got the nerve to stop slow enough traffic to get out and run over to read the bucket. I plan to find out what it is and try some. As a matter of fact, I have a gallon of it if somebody wants to come get it. I'll give it to you, just not worth the cost of shipping it in my book. I'm with Jon on this one. One thing about Jon I have learned is he tells it like it is, no sugar coating, or smoke screens.
Glenn
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I tried it, didn't like it. Customer wasn't satisfied so I had to refund her money. I'm $100.00 in the hole with it so far. I couldn't tell any noticable difference in the concrete after it was sealed. The customer thinks I just put some water on it or something. I have seen a sealer the DOT department uses on new curbings. It gives the concrete that bright white look. I know it comes in blue buckets, but I haven't got the nerve to stop slow enough traffic to get out and run over to read the bucket. I plan to find out what it is and try some. As a matter of fact, I have a gallon of it if somebody wants to come get it. I'll give it to you, just not worth the cost of shipping it in my book. I'm with Jon on this one. One thing about Jon I have learned is he tells it like it is, no sugar coating, or smoke screens.
Glenn
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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."
Mark Dadian
New Member
Hey Jon:
My understanding on V-seal and another product called Enduro-Seal is that they change the molecular structure of the concrete, making it virtually impermiable (sic) to foreign substances. This is the reason follow-up cleaning is supposedly easier. AND, if we can make our jobs easier without losing frequency of visits, what's wrong with that?
Just my two cents. I just applied V-seal for the first time yesterday. I'll let you know in May (next scheduled cleaning) whether it delivers as promised.
Mark
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
My understanding on V-seal and another product called Enduro-Seal is that they change the molecular structure of the concrete, making it virtually impermiable (sic) to foreign substances. This is the reason follow-up cleaning is supposedly easier. AND, if we can make our jobs easier without losing frequency of visits, what's wrong with that?
Just my two cents. I just applied V-seal for the first time yesterday. I'll let you know in May (next scheduled cleaning) whether it delivers as promised.
Mark
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
Mark Dadian
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Hey Jon:
My understanding on V-seal and another product called Enduro-Seal is that they change the molecular structure of the concrete, making it virtually impermiable (sic) to foreign substances. This is the reason follow-up cleaning is supposedly easier. AND, if we can make our jobs easier without losing frequency of visits, what's wrong with that?
Just my two cents. I just applied V-seal for the first time yesterday. I'll let you know in May (next scheduled cleaning) whether it delivers as promised.
Mark
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
My understanding on V-seal and another product called Enduro-Seal is that they change the molecular structure of the concrete, making it virtually impermiable (sic) to foreign substances. This is the reason follow-up cleaning is supposedly easier. AND, if we can make our jobs easier without losing frequency of visits, what's wrong with that?
Just my two cents. I just applied V-seal for the first time yesterday. I'll let you know in May (next scheduled cleaning) whether it delivers as promised.
Mark
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
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Glenn
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Guys,
Anytime you add another type molecule to a substrate, you in fact change the molecular structure. For example, if you treated the concrete by pouring 30w motor oil on it, once the concrete absorbs the oil you have changed the molecular structure. Go figure.
Glenn
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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."
Anytime you add another type molecule to a substrate, you in fact change the molecular structure. For example, if you treated the concrete by pouring 30w motor oil on it, once the concrete absorbs the oil you have changed the molecular structure. Go figure.
Glenn
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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."
I have used about 55 gallons of V-seal and have seen good results and bad results. One of the worst things I can say about the company is that when I called to find names of other companies who are very satisfied with the results they have had using V-seal, Jay could give me no names. This suprised me. Testimonial and experienced user are a big influence on wether or not I purchase a product. I could get nothing from the V-seal company.
I am inpressed with the way V-seal works on concrete drives and am getting ready to apply 10 gallons on a smooth finish shop floor this year. I will return later with results.
AQUA-PRO
John Moller II
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John D Moller II
AquaPro Powerwashing and Protective Sealing
I am inpressed with the way V-seal works on concrete drives and am getting ready to apply 10 gallons on a smooth finish shop floor this year. I will return later with results.
AQUA-PRO
John Moller II
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John D Moller II
AquaPro Powerwashing and Protective Sealing
Jon
New Member
Glenn if you ever find out the name of the product and where to buy it that comes in blue buckets let us all know.
Mark, I agree if we can make our work easier it pays yes, but if it either appears not to make a difference or if it does not do the job why should we waste our time selling it.
V-Seal vs Enduro-Seal:
One is a one time job, other requires several applications to complete, which would you rather do, put it down once or go back 3 days in a row to do it?
Need I say more.
Remember this is my opinion only, am not putting any product down nor saying whether or not it is good or bad.
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633
Mark, I agree if we can make our work easier it pays yes, but if it either appears not to make a difference or if it does not do the job why should we waste our time selling it.
V-Seal vs Enduro-Seal:
One is a one time job, other requires several applications to complete, which would you rather do, put it down once or go back 3 days in a row to do it?
Need I say more.
Remember this is my opinion only, am not putting any product down nor saying whether or not it is good or bad.
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Beep beep, the OPC Roadrunner coming through.
Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633
Mark Dadian
New Member
Hey Jon: I guess the diff tween Enduro and V-seal is the type of penetration you get (Enduro reports 4-6" penetration while V-seal is a 1/2"). This is probably critical depending on the application (are you just sealing the surface or preventing water penetration in a wet cellar (New England's bane of all banes). I will say V-seal is about 1/4 the price of Enduro (at least where I've been able to get it). Anyway, if it makes the customer happy we've done our job.
Hey Glenn: I agree that when you add a substance to another you alter the apparent content of the initial substance, but you don't always get a chemical reaction that changes the properties of the initial substance (your oil on concrete example for instance). Enduro & V-seal actually affect the lye in the concrete (again 1/2 - 6" deep) making it virtually impermiable to DAMAGING substances (oil, acid, juice, etc.) I am sorry if that wasn't apparent in my first post.
Have a great Fall Guys.
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
Hey Glenn: I agree that when you add a substance to another you alter the apparent content of the initial substance, but you don't always get a chemical reaction that changes the properties of the initial substance (your oil on concrete example for instance). Enduro & V-seal actually affect the lye in the concrete (again 1/2 - 6" deep) making it virtually impermiable to DAMAGING substances (oil, acid, juice, etc.) I am sorry if that wasn't apparent in my first post.
Have a great Fall Guys.
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Mark A. Dadian
Jon
New Member
Mark,
I follow what your saying and can see how one would be different (better?) then the other.
Now if Enduro-Seal could be put down in one applacation it would make a big difference to us. But from what I understand it takes 3 applacations and you must wait 24 hours between each. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633
I follow what your saying and can see how one would be different (better?) then the other.
Now if Enduro-Seal could be put down in one applacation it would make a big difference to us. But from what I understand it takes 3 applacations and you must wait 24 hours between each. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633
Mark Dadian
New Member
Your right Jon. My rep told me 24 hrs was sufficient, but even if the job is local, I hate to go back to a job after its primarily finished.
My rep suggested a price of 40 cents/sq ft. For most people that puts it out of the park if you are sealing their cellar.
Then you go to V-seal and hope the 1/2 inch of protection holds.
Just another mystery to work out to its end.
Have a nice weekend.
Just did 6 modular homes (approximately 2 hrs a piece) for $1500. Not bad for twelve hours work.
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
My rep suggested a price of 40 cents/sq ft. For most people that puts it out of the park if you are sealing their cellar.
Then you go to V-seal and hope the 1/2 inch of protection holds.
Just another mystery to work out to its end.
Have a nice weekend.
Just did 6 modular homes (approximately 2 hrs a piece) for $1500. Not bad for twelve hours work.
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GBU
Mark A. Dadian
V Seal
I started using the V Seal line this spring and have put down over 350 gallons. I'm in a cold weather area like Tim at All-Brite so some of my reasons for using will be different than Jon's. I don't see moss and mold growing on concrete here. What we do have problems with is salt damage and freeze thaw damage from moisture in concrete freezing, expanding, and cracking the concrete as well as spalling from salt when removing ice from concrete. As to Jon's statement about the sealer coming back up with the washing, it may weaken it over time but the majority of the product stays. It penetrates into the concrete, not lay on top like many membrane sealers, which is what I believe will allow it to last longer than any other sealer I have used. I first did a small test on my driveway and 2 weeks later tried to remove it with my 5.2 @ 3000 psi washer (hot) with the tip 1/2" from the concrete. The sealed portion stayed light colored while all the rest of the concrete darkened (absorbed water). Since then I have of course done the whole driveway. Soda pop spills wash off with rain water. Newspaper delivery car left all kinds of green coolant on the driveway. Rinsed off with garden hose 3 hours later with no staining. Now to the all important oil staining. It will not keep out oil stains. I never tell a customer it will. V Seal will let concrete breathe (water vapors - not water molecules). This does allow the oil to get in the concrete. The part that is weird (again I don't tell customers but I witnessed it - it happened in my own driveway) is that new oil stains on sealed concrete disappeared over time. You are better off getting Jay to detail that one for you.
As to Tim's direct question, the product would work well for the application you are describing. The concrete will get protection from the salts and freezing water your weather will most certainly subject the concrete to. The concrete will be easier to clean, if they choose to have it cleaned again. Many of my customers don't have me clean for the cosmetic reasons (parking lot at a Coke distribution plant) but simply for the protection of the investment they have made in the concrete by applying a sealer.
Sorry this is so long winded.
Lee
Aqua Fortis of Siouxland
I started using the V Seal line this spring and have put down over 350 gallons. I'm in a cold weather area like Tim at All-Brite so some of my reasons for using will be different than Jon's. I don't see moss and mold growing on concrete here. What we do have problems with is salt damage and freeze thaw damage from moisture in concrete freezing, expanding, and cracking the concrete as well as spalling from salt when removing ice from concrete. As to Jon's statement about the sealer coming back up with the washing, it may weaken it over time but the majority of the product stays. It penetrates into the concrete, not lay on top like many membrane sealers, which is what I believe will allow it to last longer than any other sealer I have used. I first did a small test on my driveway and 2 weeks later tried to remove it with my 5.2 @ 3000 psi washer (hot) with the tip 1/2" from the concrete. The sealed portion stayed light colored while all the rest of the concrete darkened (absorbed water). Since then I have of course done the whole driveway. Soda pop spills wash off with rain water. Newspaper delivery car left all kinds of green coolant on the driveway. Rinsed off with garden hose 3 hours later with no staining. Now to the all important oil staining. It will not keep out oil stains. I never tell a customer it will. V Seal will let concrete breathe (water vapors - not water molecules). This does allow the oil to get in the concrete. The part that is weird (again I don't tell customers but I witnessed it - it happened in my own driveway) is that new oil stains on sealed concrete disappeared over time. You are better off getting Jay to detail that one for you.
As to Tim's direct question, the product would work well for the application you are describing. The concrete will get protection from the salts and freezing water your weather will most certainly subject the concrete to. The concrete will be easier to clean, if they choose to have it cleaned again. Many of my customers don't have me clean for the cosmetic reasons (parking lot at a Coke distribution plant) but simply for the protection of the investment they have made in the concrete by applying a sealer.
Sorry this is so long winded.
Lee
Aqua Fortis of Siouxland
HeavyChevy
New Member
I would like to revive this thread.
What is the current opinions of V Seal? It is amazing to read the VERY different opinions of this product. Is there a common denominator? Maybe the concrete wasn't prepped properly for those that didn't like it?
I recently landed a commercial account cleaning the floors of several auto shops in my area. A couple of the managers are interested in having their floors sealed in addition to the cleaning. Is this a waste of their time and money?
I plan on calling V-Seal direct, however I would like unbiased opinions from folk with experience using this (or other) concrete sealers. I look forward to any help you can provide.
What is the current opinions of V Seal? It is amazing to read the VERY different opinions of this product. Is there a common denominator? Maybe the concrete wasn't prepped properly for those that didn't like it?
I recently landed a commercial account cleaning the floors of several auto shops in my area. A couple of the managers are interested in having their floors sealed in addition to the cleaning. Is this a waste of their time and money?
I plan on calling V-Seal direct, however I would like unbiased opinions from folk with experience using this (or other) concrete sealers. I look forward to any help you can provide.