Work Dry Spell

charlie

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Some schools have money to do this sort of things some don't. As a parent and active PTA member he is right about some schools. As for letting the people trying your machine be carefull if one of them get hurt you could get in alot of trouble. As for giving back to the community that is great. Being in business isn't about just making money. And before you all slam me on this statement don't waste your time I won't change my mind.


Charlie
 

Beth

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There are folks here, and I have heard of others across the country, who do use cable tv with very good results. However, at the risk of sounding like a broken record I will say again one thing....


It doesn't matter what you do if you are not consistant. If it's TV, be ready to run it for a few months. Same with print media. Same with a mailing campaign that consist of several pieces. If you don't, you will not build name recognition, and you will miss parts of the audience who don't catch it the time you run it, whatever "it" may be.

Advertising is not meant to be used for a week or two, maybe a month just to get a few jobs. It is properly spaced out, based on consumer buying habits. Look at what you get in the mail.....
Don't you look for certain things? Certain pizza coupons or whatever? Does your wife or any other family member? Talk to people about their junk mail and about what they see or hear, that makes them remember companies and then makes them buy. Where do they go? Are they phone book people? Are they coupon people? are they flyer people? What makes them respond? Then take that information and apply it. But whatever you do, be consistant, in message, the look of the ad, and keep the ad running.

It works, but you have to do it.

Beth
;)

sorry if I got on my soapbox again.....
 

Richard R.

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I think this delicate issue or subject matter as got some of the best responses and brought more people together than any one subject I've seen.
I have never had so many friends try so hard to help me in my entire life. I don't think I've seen so many great ideas all compiled in one thread either. Definitely a thread worthy of adding to my training manual with some of the others.

There are tons of post that I agree with and a few I'm not sure of.

I have to say though, there are some that remind me of how I got started in the beginning. I guess it has been so long since I did it that I almost forgot that it worked.
Tony C. and Jon Fife mentioned the free or highly discounted work. Although I couldn't afford the free deck jobs, there is a lot of things I can afford such as small buildings and houses on the most popular traveled roads in town.
I do remember this got me a lot of exposure and a lot of extra jobs.
One other thing I would like to bring up is Beth. Has any one. I think she missed her calling. She needs to leave the powerwashing up to Rod and get into marketing and advertising. Please don't take offense to that Beth, but you seem to have it together when it comes to marketing. No disrepect to Rod though.

Anyway, I just want to Thank everyone for the many ideas and the effort that has been put into helping save my business.

I guess I better get in the shower. I actually got a House Wash and Flatwork job today and a potential customer who drove up during the job.

Take Care

P.S. This is what I call back up!!!!

Thanks Again,
Richard R.
 

Mike Hughes

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Funny you should say that, Richard.........because, If I'm not mistaken, I believe Beth's full time job is in Marketing. :p
 

Greg Rentschler

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Richard,

I am still a firm believer in finding a niche for your company. Back in 96 when we started we did everything... or should I say anything..... that was asked of us. We washed concrete, awnings, decks, trucks, store fronts, etc...... over the past two years we decided to pretty much build a niche in the exterior wood care industry. This enabled me to focus our advertising dollars and experience on one service rather than 15 different services. In contrast to the slow spell many people appear to be having our sales are actually up 40% keeping four full time employees and myself quite busy. We keep ads in the paper throughout the season and pass out flyers in all neighborhoods in which we work. I believe flyers are your best bang for a buck.... Since I have taken my company to this level I also enjoy the work we do that much more. It took me some time to realize the actual possibilities in wood care... it doesn't just pertain to decks. Research, research, research and I have to say I have never done any cold calling.

Greg Rentschler
TimberSeal Exterior Wood Care
 

Beth

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Richard,
:) :) :)
I only go out on jobs as a helper. I don't lead crews. I do estimate work, but I don't spend time under the hot sun washing and sealing. It's not my calling. I am all for pitching in, but you are quite correct. I'm a marketer. I know it, Rod knows it, and it's one reason we do well together. My areas of strength are areas he does not have expertise. His areas of strength are areas that I don't handle. I'm glad it shows. Rod is a helluva guy, and knows his job well. I have had the pleasure of watching him grow and learn over the past few years. When he doesn't have an answer he will take a guess, and then ask the question of someone he knows has the answer. Networking is wonderful. It may be me at the keyboard, but when it comes to job related questions, I often have his input. I'm the same way. If I don't have an answer, I look for it, research it, and go from there. It's much safer, and wiser, to educate yourself than it is to make assuptions which may not only be off, but could be detrimental to your business.

Thank you for your kind works about marketing. :)

Beth
 

Beth

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Greg brings up an excellent point. A very excellent point. It is especially applicable to new companies, who need to control their growth and monitor their progress.

Begin with the end in mind. What is it you offer? What do you bring to the table? What is it that sets you apart fromt he competition, and why, should a customer purchase from you over another company? You can base your strategy on two things. You can lead with price, or you can lead with service. It is that simple. If you are going to advertise that you are a real bargain, the cheapest, the bottom bid in town, then you are leading with price. No question. If that is what you want to do, that's fine. There are pluses, and also minuses to doing it. If you choose to lead with service, you have more options. You can lead with corporate values, with satifaction guarantee, with delivering what you promise with greater expertise, there are many ways to wrap the package. The bottom line remains the same. You then lead with service. Just like leading with price there are pluses and minuses.

Once you have decided which you are going to do, you can then, and only then, effectively market the company. Everything you do, will be tied back to the core principle and what you stand for. Price, or service. Once you have chosen, then you can begin to develope the tools necessary to market your company. The tools will reflect your chosen stance. They also will be specific to the market you choose to enter into.

It is wise, very wise, to begin in one segment of the cleaning industry. Each service can be seen as a segment, and each segment should be considered before extra efforts or monies are expended on expansion in that area. Wood restoration is a segment that draws good response from the consumers. It is a segment which is seasonal, and with proper positioning can be tapped into as a first service offering, or segment. It falls under the category of exterior home maintenance.

When you first begin, it is not important to think of it in those terms, but as you begin to get comfortable with jobs and find people asking about what else you do, you will find those words will come back to you. And, they should. Exterior Home Maintenance. Remember them. Consider what else you can offer to the consumer, to get other work....if you went through a drive through, you might be asked, "do you want fries with that?"

House washing. Patios, pools, tennis courts, flagstone, gutter in and out, concrete walkwyas, porches...exterior home maintenance. You don't need to lead with them, or to run ads just for them. You have already identified the cash cow in the segment you are focusing on first; wood. These are the extras, the ones to add with bullet points, the ones to send postcards for. In the fall, we send gutter cleaning reminder cards to our deck customers.

Adding another segment might be years down the road, and might mean you are ready to explore a variety of things, from hoods, to mobile washing, to building decks, to ducts, to carpets, to janitorial, to .... the sky is the limit. It's about the need, the fit, the positioning, and the delivery.

Once you have answered the question of what the company is going to be, it's goals, its mission, what it will be as it grows up, you will in time be able to to answer what the next step is, and you'll also know when it is time to take it.

Beth
 
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Glenn Clark

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I too was goint through a slump in my work but I was still working a part time job. Then my 'day' job played out (I got fired for laying out) it lit a fire under my a$$. I went to every business in town, asked for the manager and said this is who I am, this is what I do, I can do this for you etc, etc... I am now booked solid 1 week in advance. I picked up a Pizza resturant chain in my area, a couple houses, one of wich was a three story brick w/ three concrete driveways. When I asked the lady what she wanted cleaned, she replied "EVERYTHING":cool:

Now don't get me wrong, I hate being a salesman and may be out of work again next week but then I will start where I left off.

Not everything works for everybody, but this worked for me.
 

Clean County

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Beth,
Your point is well taken. If Rod is as good on his end as you are on yours then the sky is the limit for you two.

As Michael Jordon use to say when he played "Just DO it" But of course in this field as in others you must have a plan first. As in what you stated then "Just Do It". If the determination is there then with a plan people can make it in most fields especially this one.

Alot of us in this industry are sole business owners. Some of us have employees, and some don't. You two don't know how lucky you are to have each other to lean on. Thank God for bb's like this one where people can exchange Ideas. We have eachother to Lean on when it comes to expressing Idea's and what not. I for one appreciate your Marketing points. I feel like I'm getting a free education when people like yourself are making a point here.

There isn't much that I can add to what you said except to be positive. A good attitude when incorporating a plan to put it into effect is always helpfull. Those two with the will to succeed makes the plan work.
[dog]
 

JR Wood

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I take back my post on this thread!
DRY SPELL OVER!
It seems that everyone was on vacation and a lot of the estimates I put out in the last month are starting to come in.In the last few days I have booked three solid weeks of work and did 7 estimates yesterday!
I hope all you guys and gals experience the same thing !
have three estimates so far for monday!
 

Beth

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Thank you, you are all very kind and thoughtful.

I guess I don't think about it as much as you do, I live in the marketing world, and very much enjoy it. To me it is like second nature. I enjoy sharing what I do know, and helping other where I see I can offer any information or suggestions I may have. Sometimes it is frustrating. It helps me to share when I read a post that has certain information in it, such as location, is it a rural area or a suburb, ir a city, what region of the country is it in, that type of thing. It allows me to think about the demographics more clearly before answering. I guess that is a whole other topic. :)

Demographics are very important, and the more you know about your consumers, the better off you will be....like I said, that is another topic for another day.

Rod and I realize how luck we are, and while we have moments of frustration we really love the moments of success. We were up to 8 employees plus owner at one point this season, but regretfully, it's back to school time which means that if you have anyone taking college classes, they too are gone. We had both good and bad, just like anyone else this season. We did find a couple of guys we have already asked back for next summer. Wonderful, talented young men, who are honest and hard working, even if they did spend alot of off time....how can I put this....burning the candle at both ends. We were all young and "newly free" once. lol

As the summer winds down, begin to think of fall, think of repositioning your ads to get the consumer to do something before cold temps hit. More on that later.

Beth
 

Richard R.

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Hey Guys,
Thanks Again for all the knowledge your spreading around in this thread.
While this thread has everyones attention, I would like to ask a favor.
I will respect anyone who feels for some reason it's not a good idea for them, but those that do, I sure will appreciate it if you would send me a flyer that you feel is the best one that works for you. If you choose to do this and you don't mind, could you also autograph it for me.
At the Police Department, we used to collect patches that we would put up in the front for everyone to see. This was our way to show support to our family around the world. If I ever get off of the ground and have a true bonified building to run my business from, I would like to do the same thing.
At this point and time, I'm just curious as to what everyones flyer looks like so if at all possible I would appreciate anyone who would send their flyer to me Robinson's HP Mobile Wash 6014 Pat Cole Rd. Temple, Texas 76502-5934.

Hope everyone does real well. It sure is good to hear that JR WOOD is back to normal.
It kinda gives me some hope.

Take Care

Richard R
 

Richard R.

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Hey Again,
I too have had some small jobs recently and some bites on the side.
I'm kinda like Gregg, I will do just about anything at this point. I did however, get to the point where I was picking and choosing, my higher paying jobs, but I'm back to the old grind stone.
There is one thing I'm in the process of trying that I think might work for me.
Instead of sitting around the house working on new ideas and whinning about not getting any jobs, I've decided to go back and do what I was doing in the beginning. I'm out shopping for some eye soars to clean in the heavily traveled areas of the downtown, doing a couple of them free with hopes it will generate some business for me. I think that by asking people if I can clean for advertising purposes only, it would help me get the feel of the people's attitudes and help me brush up on cold calling skills. Cold calling is not one of my strong points, but at least I'm exercising all of the techniques that are available to my business. I think if I just get out and mingle with folks and pass out business cards and flyers while putting on a show, some of them will start to notice me. I also believe that for every car that passes by, thats one flyer that I delivered to a door.

I think my area is about the best place there is for a power washing business right now. Power Washing is not as a well known profession here as it is in many other states in the US and there is only a few people doing it around here.
I look at it kind of like this; If I'm out on the main traveled roads for everyone to see and they're wondering what I'm doing, when people do start talking about it and hearing their neighbors and business associates talk about power washing, everyone will hopefully think it's me that everyones talking about. When people do decide they want in on the action, they will hopefully remember my truck, my sign and my phone number. It's kind of funny how it works. I pick out a real popular Dentist or Doctors Office, and or popular shopping place that everyone likes to go to, when they see me, hopefully they will want to use the same company that Dr. Jones used.
All I have to do is keep my truck super clean, do a good job and everyone will look at me as the one that everyone uses for their power washing services. No one will even know that I'm struggling, because Dr. Jones uses me or Dentist Smith uses me so I must have it together.
I think all I will have to do is estimate the job like I would any other job and figure it on the books as an advertisement right off at the end of the year. Hopefully this will make up for some of the losses.
The way I look at it, I'm sitting around the house doing nothing in anyway, so why not do nothing for everyone to see and at least generate "POSSIBILITIES" instead of sitting around the house whinning about the "NO POSSIBILITIES" to ring my phone.
My printer cost about $70.00 plus everytime I put new ink in it to print more flyers, plus I still have to get out in the public to pass the flyers out. I think the gas and chemicals cost me a lot less than the ink and at least I'm out there exploiting my phone number and business name.

What do you think? Do you think this would be the same as low balling, or would you see it as advertising?

Take Care

Richard R.
 

Schmutz Man

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Hi Richard,

Rather than offering to do work in Temple for free - try this: suggest to the potential customers that you are willing to demonstrate how good a job you can do for them. You are so confident that if it's not all you promised they don't have to pay! That's your unconditional guarantee. No risk for the consumer. Set your price before starting and you will guarantee your work ! It shows the consumer you are putting your cards on the table- no risk for them.
The other thing to consider, print up a news release:
this is where you have to puff yourself up! head-line it with something like, Bullet doesn't stop local cop or Injured cop hits the deck. Write the story ala newspaperish, about how you were forced to retire due to a bullet but want to continue working for the public and have started a PW business. When you get something news release-like, send it to the community papers,
TV, cable, radio. Newpeople love human interest. The point is your uniqueness is a selling point. Like the retired coach selling cars, etc. You can also print and distribute them as flyers.
Think about it, wouldn't you trust a former policeman hero over just some other guy.

Good luck.
 

Beth

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By the way gang....this thread should be move to Marketing. I don't want to ask Dan to break it, but we should continue this discussion in the correct forum. Not all users will know to look here.

I apologize to you all, I have been on the soapbox and not said anything about it.

Beth:)
 

Jon Fife

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hi richard,

glad you are becoming proactive, i promise the work is getting ready to come. I know i suggested doing a few jobs labor-free (not expense free), but I definitely think you should take schmutz' advice on the suggestion he made. This takes away the 'i want what my neighbor got' mentality. Also, you have got to do the press release. Excellent idea. Definitely go with the
ex-cop advertising, that should provide excellent results. I am excited for you, because I think this method is going to really help you break through. Good luck Richard,

Jon Fife
Nashville,TN

P.S. I'll mail you some stuff tomorrow.
 

Clean County

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Richard,

Be real careful here. Even though schmutzman has an interesting Idea you may jeopardize you retirement pension if your state decides to make an example out of you.

You were injured in the line of duty causing you to leave your job because of it. Everyone understands that. The problem you may run into is that if the retirement pension board who already knows that you are recieving benefits because of your disability and they see you advertising injured cop makes a new career powerwashing they may not like that publicity.

Briefly what happen up over here in N.Y. a couple of years ago was a cop retired off the job due to an injury. Now of course his injury wasn't as pronounced as yours be he did have an injury never the less. He then moved to Florida and started a new life. No problem. He then decided to move heavy objects with an moving co. (I may be wrong about the moving co) etc. So what happens. He was exridited back to N.Y. where they pulled his pension and sent him to jail.

Another words if you are going to use your police background to promote your business I would go to the pension board or better yet speak to a PBA attorney and see if it is OK.

Me personally I wouldn't do it. But I'm not in your shoes.

Good Luck
-John-
 

Beth

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WOW!
I hadn't thought of that....
I would have to say I would investigate it before doing it, given John's posts.
Beth
 

David Saulque

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Being a ex cop myself, I find this approach a bite out on the edge. I just don't like that way of using a personal event and turning it into a marketing advantage. I have mentioned it in passing, when speaking of late night service and store alarms.

Some of our wonderful public can be put off by police work in general, and this can become a negative in the minds of some. Some people just don't trust cops. I have seen it many times, and I have never had contact with these upstanding individuals before-they all have a story of why. With this in mind, I am not sure that this percentage of the public would be open. But these people have money to spend.

David
 

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