Dan Flynn - Senior Section instead of # of posts?

Jaime

New Member
Dan, Maybe have a section for "seniors" in the business say 8, 9 , 10+ years in business. Instead of how many times you post. Because I realized that I can't be on here EVERY SINGLE day. Have to work, Yeh no!!! So I can buy more toys. Oh I mean tools. lol Jaime
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
Please don’t restrict anyone, everyone has valuable impute. Only restrict those who are disrespectful to other or belligerent. I’m a vet 17yrs, if you restrict we all loose. I have learned from people that don’t have anything to do with our industry so this is not a perfect formula either.
 

Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
You both have made some great points. that is exactly what this board is all about. I am undecided at this point.

There most likely will be a private area, I feel that it is a good thing. I know some won't like it. But there are levels in live.

There will be a fair system put together. Based on the input we get from the members of this board.

I encourage everyone to post their opinion. This it what I think so far.

I think that private area should be for experienced contractors, who would be willing to share their secrets with others.

They would have to go out of there way to give. In return they will get the same from the other members of that area.

Their activity should not decrease on the main bulletin board. I think everyone can find a few minute every day or at least every other day to post to the main board to help others.

All of their regular type questions should be posted on the main board. Our objective of the board is to teach each other to be the best that we can be, in customer service, application and safety. That type of attitude towards our industry can only benefit us all.

I think that all the members of the private area will have equal say to what goes on in area. For instance. If the majority feels something should change or someone is just taking and not providing helpful information. Then the majority rules.

At this point I will appoint certain people I know that are true professionals with something to offer to the advanced area.

I think that this is a good thing for all of us. It will give the newer guys something to shoot for. And encourage contractors to get more involved in the discussions on the board.

Activity create information, that we all can benefit from. Some people just come to the boards and post when they want something, and don't return until they need something else.

When we first started their was no board and when one came out it slowly grew with a bunch of guys including me, that didn't know much at all.

The newer guys should realize that even what some of us may feel is trivial information on this or other boards, is information that if not present may take them years to figure out. They are very lucky.

I also feel that they would not be missing anything that is not already and still will be offered on the boards today.

The private area will be a place were veterans can help each other and offer information they would not ordinarily say on the regular boards anyway.

That is where I stand so far, I hope to get feed back on this issue.

I have already selected 5 people and you will be notified this weekend. Those 5 people will have equal say about the decision of who should gets in.

Now that I think of it. I will scratch the posts idea, and base the private membership on the vote and recommendation of the current members.

For now to increase your chances of getting in the area you should be active on the board helping others. The rest of the decisions will be made from the private members.

Can't get any more fare than that.
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Dan Flynn
Flynn Service Pro www.powerwash.net
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Craig/PowerWashUnlimited

Guest
Dan,

Here's just an idea. I believe i can say for all of us that we trust your decisions on the "select" group. I think that the group allowed on into the private area should serve as mentors for those that are not yet allowed in. This can be done by email, telephone, fax, etc. Issues brought up by the younger group can be brought into the private section by private members. This way the questions that members of your board don't feel they can post on the general board can get answers they desperately need. Of course, what goes on in your private section would definitely have to remain private, but general knowledge can be distributed by the mentors if called upon that comes out of the board posts and meetings, if any. I feel that mentoring some of the others will be benificial to all and be a way to evaluate potential private members and eventually add to your core group. Rules need be set up for the private bb in advance so confidence can be assured to those within the group. I think you have done a great job with the board, and it is a great relief to not see the bad seeds visiting. I think this is a great group of guys and gals and I am proud to be in the industry.

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Craig Knight
Power Wash Unlimited
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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
Craig,

Well said and some great ideas. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

This is our board. Everyone who is here has something to say that matters. We all know when something is screwy about someone.

And I think for the most part none of us want or have the time to deal with them.

If we stick together and voice our opinions, it will structure this community of members in the direction we all decide to take it. That is how we build a great place to network and communicate with in our industry..

Maintaining people, who are good people willing to give and take is critical to the success of a great community
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Dan Flynn
Flynn Service Pro
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Scott Stone

New Member
I for one agree with Craig on the mentoring idea. I always have a policy of doing what I can to promote the industry I am in, whatever it is. I am even willing to teach people hands on if they are willing to come to Arizona. So here is what I am willing to do.
My Business phone number is 480-834-3434.
My Cell phone number is 602-509-9741.
You all probably know what my e-mail address is, and my specialty is truck and fleet washing. If you have a question you are always free to give me a call. Many have in the past so it is not something unusual for me to do this. Alls that I ask is that you remember that it is always mountain standard time here and don't call me to early in the morning
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I installed a skylight last night. My upstairs neighbors are really mad

Just a guy driving around trying to make a living washing trucks, Wouldn't know a deck if it bit me in the hind quarters,
 

Kevin

New Member
I believe that a private section is totally up to you since this is your board but I do believe it will hurt the inexperienced person like myself. I believe since the experienced contractors have so little time to post as a few have said that some might not take the time to post and answer questions for the new guys. I'm sure some will respond to questions but in general I believe responses will be reduced for the new guys trying to learn. When someone asks a question generally you can tell if they're fly-by-night or here for the haul. I'm new and have posted many times here and plan on doing this for a living to feed my family and because with the few things I've washed I really LIKE doing it. I really enjoy plopping down at night and checking out what everybody has to say. I hope that dividing this board will not change the way this board has been since its beginning. Just my thoughts.............
 

Scott Stone

New Member
Kevin,
My bet would be that the same people that are responding to your requests now are going to be the same in the future. I think that the private board would not see the traffic that others see. The reason is that there are not a lot of things that will be discussed there. You have to remember that it will probably be a more technical board that is appropriate for people with a little more experience. I think that it would be like any other job, the more that you learn the more you will be trusted to learn, and it will not necessarily be those that have been in the business the longest, at least from my perspective. It would be like being a Doctor. The first thing that a new Doctor learns is not brain surgery, The first thing that you should learn in pressure washing isn't Industrial cleaning.

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I installed a skylight last night. My upstairs neighbors are really mad

Just a guy driving around trying to make a living washing trucks, Wouldn't know a deck if it bit me in the hind quarters,
 

Lorin Grable

New Member
Don't like to mince words but when you said

<There will be a fare system put together.>

I interpreted this to mean a monetary payment arrangement.

I believe you meant to say 'fair'.
 

Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
Thanks Lorine,

Nice pick up. When your typing fast sometimes things get by you
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Dan Flynn
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Dave Stones

New Member
Kevin,

I feel that I have to agree with Scott on this one, in that the Private Section board won't take anything from the main boards,

Although I don't post every night, I like Kevin, switch over to this Centre (after of course sorting out the accounts and invoices LOL) to see what's going on in the big wide cleaning world, I only make an input when I have somthing worth saying.

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Dave Stones
Care-Clean
http://www.careclean.inuk.com
 

Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
That is the whole point. I will decide who will be the first members, someone has to do it. I will base that on the knowledge I have of there experience and the effort they put in there posts.

From that point on, all decisions and ideas will come from all of us. That way we can make the board like a club. You will get rewarded for your activity and knowledge.

The more you get involved the more you will learn. I know we are busy but if you want to be successful you have to find time.

That rule falls in the same place as any rule in live. You sit on your butt, your poor and live pay check to pay check. You get active and make things happen, your quality of live will improve. You gain experience and put it to use with more activity and your rich
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To be in the private area, you have to be willing to give just as much if not more to help out the rest of the community. Or you will be voted out. Which does not make it a bad thing. You just might not have the time you thought, and maybe you would just rather post when you can.

I can also set up moderators of certain sections of the board. They would have control of the board from there own computer. Deleting rude posts and unauthorized advertising. This could be a very good thing guys.

The whole concept here is networking. Just like the local association we make time for in the neiborhoods we work in. We network their with different businesses to learn and give each other work. Only here we are networking with in our own industry.

Talk to you soon.
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Dan Flynn
Flynn Service Pro www.powerwash.net
708 715-4205

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Kevin

New Member
Hey guys it's true all of my ???? have been answered so I thank you (oh the farmer one wasnt!). Scott that sounds like a gentlemanly thing to help people hands on. My family and I will be glad to stay in your house and my big eater boys will love to eat all of your food! Were packing right now! Just kidding! I really am glad there are folks willing to go the extra mile for people. That's how people are supposed to be but it's seldom seen. I might give you a ring one day.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
I enjoyed the conversation in the chat room Wednesday. I recall Dan mentioning that the other board shut him out. The reason is obvious, not because he’s a bad person, simply because he became competition. I bet that when Dan realized he could not get on the board he felt betrayed. All that time he had helped his fellow cleaners and now they would not let him. He probably felt anger as well. Don’t start an exclusive board where people will feel left out. I’m sorry all the guys that e-mailed me back did not voice their opinions. The select that have replied here will probably be on the exclusive board and there‘s a few brown-nosers trying to get in. I don’t want on any exclusive board. I would rather be on a board where everyone can help each other equally. Dan what you’ve done is a good thing please don’t destroy it. The mix and trust on this board is high. Other cleaners will only suspect that you’re holding something back. I know that this is not the situation but others won’t understand. Even veterans that might be introduced to the board will not feel equal. I will tell everyone I can all over the country that this is a great board. In my 17yrs I’ve taken the time to stop and talk to every pressure washing rig I’ve seen and have shared information and/or some stories with those who where willing to listen. I have always thought that competitors should not fear one another. Having an exclusive area will make others feel just like you felt when the other board shut you out.


Life is like tennis (one who serves well seldom looses)


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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
Ron,

I think that you are missing the point here. First of all you are making assumption on my feelings about what happen on the other board.

My feelings about that, we're ( Not Surprised ) and nothing else. It is there board and they can do what ever they want.

As far as your comment about brown nosing, I think that is out of line a bit, how ever you our free to express your opinion here as long as it is in a polite manner.

All boards need some rules, and what I'm trying to do here is allow the members to decide what happens here. So you can be confident that your opinion about the private area is well noted and will be considered in the final decision.

I respect the fact that you are voicing your opinion and encourage others to do the same. Because if they don't they won't have a right to complain about what happens.

The bottom line is,the majority of things that go on at this board will be decided by the members. So If the members want a private area, that is what they will get. If they don't, then of course they won't.

The keyword here is majority That is how fair systems are put into place.

Also while reading your post I noticed that you are assuming the feeling of others. I think if people have feelings about certain issues they should express them.

Most of your comments, say you understand but know one else will. Well they should express those feeling. Like I said before, you can not create or build something as a group if your not actively involved.

We live in a world we're the people decide what is best for our country. We are the richest country in the world. That does not mean that some people still don't agree with the final decision. but the majority out way the minority.

Countries that don't allow this are poor and the people their are suffering. I think you get the point.

The members of this board will decide what is best for this board. I will set up a private vote soon through email.

Most importantly. This is not a live or die situation. If there is a private area, then there is a private area. If there is not, well then there is not
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I encourage everyone to use our suggestion area to help with ideas that can help make the board a better place.

I'm sure we all want the board to be the best that it's going to be. I also think that the more involved a person is the more weight his or her opinions and suggestion should have.

[EXAMPLE If we as a group decide that we should all jump in the lake, then someone new or someone who rarely is active on the board suggest that we don't. There probably won't be much wait to his suggestion.

So regardless of what happens, it will happen because the majority wants it. Your a member on the board and I have received your vote, and I'm glade you voiced it.

At this time 3 say no and 11 say yes. There are 140 members, so that is why I will send out a vote by email. You have to have chosen during registration to allow us to contact you or we will not be able to send you a vote by email. If your interested in voting. You can go to the profile like at the top of the page and change your settings.

Or send me a email. I also want you guys to know that just like any other group or membership, not one person can do it alone. I run a business just like you guys and need help from everyone, answering questions, suggesting ideas and moderating the boards. I will be asking people in the near future to be a moderator of certain sections of this board. Your responsibility will be to never let a question go unanswered. Along with moderating, that people follow some very simple rules that are stated in the registration agreement. You will have certain access to some of the controls of the board right from the computer from your own office or home. If I ask you, their would be no obligation to agree. I want people that have the knowledge and time to help.

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Dan Flynn
Flynn Service Pro www.powerwash.net
708 715-4205

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Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
Dan,
First of all, what is the point of a web board, such as his one, if not to share information and experience with everyone equally? Less experienced people in the business should be encouraged to read the more “advanced†input and ask questions. I think having a restricted area where only a few “special†people are allowed in will discourage many people, not encourage them to use the board. I really don’t see how you can think that a restricted area will be beneficial to everyone even those not allowed in. In your own words “I think this is a good thing for all of us. It will give the newer guys something to shoot for.†You have got to be kidding me. So what’s the deal? Are you trying to say you want people to kiss ass so they can join your “special clubâ€? Is this an information board or a high school popularity contest? Let’s get real here for just a minute. If this board doesn’t benefit everyone in a fair manner, It’s useless. You keep saying what a good thing it’s going to be, but you haven’t given one single good reason to back up why you feel that way. You even contradict yourself in your postings. If this board doesn’t help everyone new and old alike, then what use is it? I think the idea to have a restricted area is ridiculous. But I guess you can do what you want with your board. I suppose you will probably kick me off your web board after this posting but all I am doing is stating my opinion, not talking in circles. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, none of this really matters anyway. This is my last reply on this subject because it is not worth my time to worry over it any more. I suppose some will agree and many will be upset with me. Oh well…. 
 

Dave Stones

New Member
Hey Guys, I thought the whole point of the BB is to help each other, if we all don't try and help each other how are we going to carry on in our respective areas

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Care-Clean
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Craig/PowerWashUnlimited

Guest
Ron,

I had my post all written up telling you what i thought of your last post. I erased it and am writing this because what i did write would not have been beneficial to anyone, and that is also what got me booted from the other bbs. Yep, SSSTTTTTRRRRIIIKKKEEEEE 3333333333333333333, i am out of there!!!!!!!!!!

Oh well, i have to be nice on here, or else i won't have any place else to play. Chill out brother, lets have fun and learn some too....




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Craig Knight
Power Wash Unlimited
www.powerwashunlimited.com
 

Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
Ron, Again and for the last time. It is not up to me.

I have heard your opinion and respect it several times now. Thank you. No Ron I an not going to boot you from the board because you voice your opinion.

I wonder though if you read my posts. All most everything you say,has nothing to do with, my replies.

About the ass kissing thing. Number one, and I will not repeat this again. If there is a private it will be run by everyone.

I think that you are beginning to become a bit rude. I can handle it though, I'm a big boy. But since I met you which was Tuesday I think, you have done nothing but complain.

Now we all have our own personality. So I have excepted that, argument might be yours.

If you can remember, you sent me 25 emails in a row very rudely asking for help with your registration. I sent you help after the first and you keep sending more asking if I would help. Then finally, you figured out it was your fault and thanked me.

Then you voice your opinion on the board about the same issue a 1000 time, respond as if you did not, either understand what you read or didn't read it at all.

Then you start complaining about the post, and next your going to ask if I would change the color scheme on the board. Rob everyone on this board is getting along, and offering in depth and informative material. Not one smart remark or complaint. People voice their opinion and there done. Why can you do the same and stop with this. Your the one who said, .... if you don't have anything useful to say....don't reply to the postings Rob, I read some of your post and you do have some good things to say, but can you stop being rude please. I think that everyone is sick of that from the other boards. You made your point.

I hate to say this but, it seems to me that you are the only one acting like a High School kid.


I Heard YOUR opinion, and I respect it
I almost think that you are trying to start something. Please let go.

Ron this is my last post to this subject, you can do what ever you want. But don't forget about the clutter.
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I love you, like it or not. And I'm serious. Have a good weekend. ( Stay out of the sun will ya )

Dan Flynn Sorry for the type O's I was in a fury.

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Dan Flynn

PWN Founder
Sorry to hear the bad news Craig
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You are always welcome here, P. S. to everyone. My out going email is still down. I get them but they don't go out. I called MSN and the lady could not figure it out. I hope it just starts working again.

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Dan Flynn
Flynn Service Pro
www.powerwash.net
708 715-4205
 

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