Do we really need a Organization ? (poll)

Do You really need an organization to help your business.

  • YES

    Votes: 37 42.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 33 37.5%
  • I can make just as much $ without it

    Votes: 17 19.3%
  • I can't make any money without it

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    88
Hey Scott-- there's so much you don't know so when I tell you this hopefully you don't come back with your usual attack on me.(just in case you don't know my past job retired my shield so obviously I'm not unstable as you portray me to all).

Daryl has patents. He also has well over 100 employees today once again (Look for past article on him either with Cleaner Times or Eclean mag).

When Daryl broke up Facilitec all you have to do is ask Ron how much it went for(he knows).

This year I met Daryl in Texas for dinner(we were both there for different reasons) His Averus Company is another giant.

So now you know & I hope you don't resort to your usual tactics of attacking me when I'm informing you on things you don't know. I'm not Jim...bud.
100 employees may be $10,000,000 a year, if he is mailing invoices for work that should have performed, it may be more.

And if you will go look, you are the one that started with petty attacks on me. Well, except, apparently you are of the opinion that you are lily white and pure and never do anything wrong.
 
100 employees may be $10,000,000 a year, if he is mailing invoices for work that should have performed, it may be more.

And if you will go look, you are the one that started with petty attacks on me. Well, except, apparently you are of the opinion that you are lily white and pure and never do anything wrong.
Your convention just ends & the only thing you get out of it is to attack me again. Nice job.
 

Doug Rucker

PWN ADMIN TEAM -
Staff member
Your convention just ends & the only thing you get out of it is to attack me again. Nice job.
Where the hec do you see an attack....knock it of with the "whoa is me" crap will ya. You brought Scott up in this whole thing back in an earlier post, and you continue to do it, along with your never ending complaining as you always do about being banned. You've been banned at places, I've been banned at places, and others have as well. Get over it and be productive here or I WILL ban you here as well.
 
Where the hec do you see an attack....knock it of with the "whoa is me" crap will ya. You brought Scott up in this whole thing back in an earlier post, and you continue to do it, along with your never ending complaining as you always do about being banned. You've been banned at places, I've been banned at places, and others have as well. Get over it and be productive here or I WILL ban you here as well.
Don't agree with your assessment here Doug and your obviously being biased but that's to be expected since you have me banned in your org. If you re-read some of these Post you will see Scott is clearly attacking me just like he did above as soon as the UAMCC convention ended. If you feel the need to ban me here then do what you need to do. I've given PWN a lot since its inception......but I will defend myself when someone attacks my character and you should put a stop to it when Scott does his passive aggressive attacks like he did above.

Outside of that I do post positive things here while Scott just post here to attack. When's the last time he even started a thread here?
 
Can we just ban the clown and be done with it. He has no concept of what truth is and is solely here to promote his buddies buying club.
Lol noob....81 post here and you already want people banned. Why are you so angry all the time? Jeez you just won some free gifts and you still are crying the blues. Try posting something positive here instead of calling people names.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
I would say leave him, every org he's touched has closed up shop or lost members in the past. He was involved in the closer of the Pwna. He also recently was on the bod Pwna have gone from 300 to 130 in the last two years.

John I think your record speaks for itself.

Please understand I'm not going to attack you As you say just state facts.

When you took the Pwna to the large numbers I was helping Everett.

I've revived the Pwna over the years 3 times. Yes I did it not Michael you or Daryl.


I was awarded 3 times for assisting the Pwna for helping them. Likely the only guy to receive awards three times.

While your guys all talk about things and fantasias what happened or could have happened we have done and completed.

If pressure washing resources wants you as spokes person I say we let you talk all you want about Thad's personal and privates organization. He owns and operates the Pwra , if he has chosen you to spread word please do.

Thanks John
 
Ron the PWNA has not closed at all in its 23 yrs of existence. When we hit those high #'s when I was the treasurer I was given an award for a job well done when my term came to an end. You were of Zero help....heck you weren't even a member in those years.

As for the UAMCC, myself & just a couple of other guys brought this org out to the masses and made it a little bit more affordable for guys like yourself. Myself & 3 others from the 2009 UAMCC convention committee have put on the largest UAMCC convention to date and the reviews of it were Phenomenal. The theme then was contractors for contractors unlike today where the UAMCC is more of a vendor ran org.

So as the examples above show my record with both of Roberts orgs was pretty darn good.

Also I don't speak for Thad or anyone else. I just do this stuff out of the goodness of my heart the same way I gave you a free Landa Skid back in 2002.

So as all can see I don't need to keep defending myself to you and a couple of others here because my track record speaks for itself.

If I get banned here so be it. If not I'll post in other areas here to help contractors like I always have.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
Ron the PWNA has not closed at all in its 23 yrs of existence. When we hit those high #'s when I was the treasurer I was given an award for a job well done when my term came to an end. You were of Zero help....heck you weren't even a member in those years.

As for the UAMCC, myself & just a couple of other guys brought this org out to the masses and made it a little bit more affordable for guys like yourself. Myself & 3 others from the 2009 UAMCC convention committee have put on the largest UAMCC convention to date and the reviews of it were Phenomenal. The theme then was contractors for contractors unlike today where the UAMCC is more of a vendor ran org.

So as the examples above show my record with both of Roberts orgs was pretty darn good.

Also I don't speak for Thad or anyone else. I just do this stuff out of the goodness of my heart the same way I gave you a free Landa Skid back in 2002.

So as all can see I don't need to keep defending myself to you and a couple of others here because my track record speaks for itself.

If I get banned here so be it. If not I'll post in other areas here to help contractors like I always have.
John you closed the doors on the Pwna, I had to help Mike revive the thing from the dead you and horsely left it in.

Every time you been involved a adverse affect has happened. Sorry John it's just true, maybe if you realized it instead of denial you could fix it.


No one puts words in Thad's mouth. He has chosen you to talk and speak for his business. John I'm sure he's ok with you talking about the Pwra . It's free advertisement for his business.

John I wish you would just realize this! Maybe there's a place in this industry for you , but till you have shown change admit all the past was mistakes your never going to truly excel.

Look at the guys around you. Kids working with us running circles around you. Surround yourself with these people you get brought down to there level.

John I wish you lots of luck. Change is needed, I hope you find it.
 
Ron I surround myself with some great guys and gals so I don't need to defend them here now. Outside of the UAMCC founder Robert Hinderliter and Carlos (before you ran him out if town in 2010) I probably did more good for the UAMCC then anyone you can think of. Heck I got you reinstated after the UAMCC threw you out in 09 but obviously you don't have that same type power today to remove the bans your org has bestowed upon me. So I don't fault you here.

I wish you luck in your new UAMCC Ed position because I remember how badly you wanted that in 09 before they threw you out. Why the UAMCC does stuff like this I don't know because this was never Roberts vision for this org.
 

Ron Musgraves

Administrator
Staff member
Ron I surround myself with some great guys and gals so I don't need to defend them here now. Outside of the UAMCC founder Robert Hinderliter and Carlos (before you ran him out if town in 2010) I probably did more good for the UAMCC then anyone you can think of. Heck I got you reinstated after the UAMCC threw you out in 09 but obviously you don't have that same type power today to remove the bans your org has bestowed upon me. So I don't fault you here.

I wish you luck in your new UAMCC Ed position because I remember how badly you wanted that in 09 before they threw you out. Why the UAMCC does stuff like this I don't know because this was never Roberts vision for this org.
John I never wanted the position and will be resigning soon.

Yes this is not one mans choice like As you say in the past. Those types of calls damage the association and the accountability and integrity.

The Uamcc is run by the members John, by the bod hands.

Directors simply handle operational things in the vision of membership.
 
John I never wanted the position and will be resigning soon.

Yes this is not one mans choice like As you say in the past. Those types of calls damage the association and the accountability and integrity.

The Uamcc is run by the members John, by the bod hands.

Directors simply handle operational things in the vision of membership.
Ron I'm friendly with a ton of UAMCC members and not one of them ever banned me anywhere within the UAMCC. We all know who did that and he acted alone from what I was told.

So now your going to resigned your ED position. When you were so angry back in the day when you said Carlos wanted it I remember telling you that position is hard work. Jackie Tachney works her tail off being the PWNA ED now going on 5yrs. She does a great job but it is hard work.

Personally I never wanted positions like that in these orgs. Even though the UAMCC guys offered me either the treasurer or VP slot when Carlos ran it I ultimately turned it down. I never wanted to be a PWNA BOD back in 2004 but I was nominated by then President Chris Detter who said he would be honored if I ran. The 2nd time around I didn't want it but unbeknownst to me I was nominated by 3 others. Then the President called & said he would like to see me on the BOD. I should have turned them down. My heart was not into taking anymore positions within these orgs and probably because of what happened to me & my wife with the UAMCC.

So if your truly going to resigned I can't say I blame ya because I don't. Roberts orgs are what they are.
 
John, you really enjoy spinning a good fairytale. Any UAMCC member you're friendly with wouldn't have the authority to impose a ban as they aren't moderators or BOD members. But why let facts get in the way, you haven't so far.
 
John, you really enjoy spinning a good fairytale. Any UAMCC member you're friendly with wouldn't have the authority to impose a ban as they aren't moderators or BOD members. But why let facts get in the way, you haven't so far.
Do you just make things up as you go? LOLOL you are amusing if nothing else.
 

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