we are beating a dead horse ...i understand your points as well as respect all of your oponions but in reference t o the last post above that would be like asking me if robbing banks would better provide for my family that was hungry what would i do....well lets see its all ileagle but would i do it and chance hurting my family and chance never seeing them again?well im glad i pay my taxes and live here already and dont have to make that decision
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ebladebum
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i say we should build a border, make all the illegals learn english, pay taxes, and get their citizenship. in order to get your citizenship you have to pay a fee, this fee should be raised to a couple thousand dollars per person. also new citizens between the ages of 18 and 23 are now elligable to be drafted into the war.
whoever doesnt want to follow these rules can leave the country. for everyone who stays though they will have to charge more for labor so they can pay off all the bills they have to pay to live in the country. the labor prices will be close to the same as americans, and when you are competing for a job with a mexican who is charging the same as you the client will most likely choose the american.
whoever doesnt want to follow these rules can leave the country. for everyone who stays though they will have to charge more for labor so they can pay off all the bills they have to pay to live in the country. the labor prices will be close to the same as americans, and when you are competing for a job with a mexican who is charging the same as you the client will most likely choose the american.
ebladebum said:
So what agency and with what money are going to forsee all of this happening? Thats why im so against both wars and the money we are spending on both. While there are many problems going on in this country such as millions homeless, hungry and uneducated children and millions without healthcare, we are spending it on someone else to have the things listed. Seem fair? No. Now it seems like which company can get the most contracts from this president.
And to be quite honest, im not really for war unless really needed, so thats why i was wondering why this country was pussyfooting around the issue of whos really to blame. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Both breeding grounds for terrorism but we dont want to step on any toes. But im straying too much from the original subject.
Do i think the letter is all correct? No.
#1.
Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen.
I would say this is true but not for all immigrants. Im sure the majority of illegals would like to live and work here in this country legally.
#2.
There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.
There are so many jobs that Americans wont do. Alot of the jobs are in construction and i know it sounds racist but theres alot of blacks and whites that dont want to do labor jobs like that. Its not, racist but true.
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Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.
Anyone with a brain can say this is a lie. The construction industry where i have experience really depends on illegals. Without them construction wouldnt happen.
The only reason why people call border security racist is because it deals with another race besides whats prodominate in America. Im a Democrat for life wanting better border security. The Republicans hold the house and senate AND the president seat so why arent they doing anything about it? I wouldnt have a problem with them if the government cut welfare and social services to them. Then there might be less people coming over. Sounds weird but if you open the borders you would probably have less illegals. It is easier to come across the border than to go back into Mexico from what i hear. Democrats pander to hispanics for the hispanic vote WHICH THERE IS ONE. Republicans pander to business's that use illegal labor so its the American people that get screwed.
chechnya said:
I disagree. White people WILL do those jobs. I, for one, can work most mens tounge into the dirt. I can't stand when I hear that there would be no construction or farming if it weren't for the Hispanics. BS!!! It is an insult to every HARD WORKING White Man that can out work AND out think an uneducated illegal. What you are failing to see, is that I WON'T work for minimum wage. Construction and farming would go on but Builders and Farm owners would just have to share some of the wealth. The people buying those $500K home will just have pay $550K.
Here in Lexington, it is the Thoroughbred Horse Farm Owners that make Millions that are taking advantage of those illegals. What would they do without the illegals? The same thing they did BEFORE they started coming here; they'd hire the local College kids again and pay GOOD wages for shoveling Horse SH*T. Can't the hispanics see that it is in thier best interest to be here legally? It is only because of thier illegal status that they are taken advantage of and paid a less than living wage.
:burn: It urks me so bad when I hear that they will do ajob that I won't!! I will shovel Horse SH*T and dig ditches when it starts paying for my Mortgage and my wifes Volvo Payment and Daughter Mercedes Payment and puts money in the Bank for my Future and my 4 year old son. Minimum wage will not do that. Since I am smarter than that illegal, I CHOOSE NOT to do that job. Understand?
FCPWLLC said:
Sorry but you are wrong. I honestly do not think white people would do the jobs of illegals and hispanics. The whole "minimum wage" thing is the BS. Roofers get paid excellently yet others dont want to work that high up or wont work in the heated conditions that they do. Workers in multi-family, where i have experience, get paid pretty decently. Even the laborers from the labor company get paid more than minimum.
I won't start my Washers for less than $150/hr. When you show me a laborer that gets paid $150/hr, then you can say that Laborers from a loborer company make decent wages. I have a friend that is a roofer; he makes $16/hr. Lives paycheck to paycheck and can barely keep truck running. Hard to make it on that money when you pay taxes and provide healthcare for family and such.
grasshawg said:
Im not critizing you at all, but do you have experience in construction or related trade? No, im not talking about pressure washing but something construction or building related. It became "jobs of illegals and hispanics" when the whites and other races of people wouldnt do the jobs. Its not racist, but true. Most sterotypes, if not all, are true anyway. Where do you think they came from? I have 3 years of construction experience, in the field, and know this is a fact. You cant tell me otherwise. Okay, maybe i should of made myself a little clearer, but im in Texas so MAYBE its different where you live. But its not here.
FCPWLLC said:
So you are comparing a laborer with a broom and shovel versus a man with atleast two trucks accoridng to your website, and no tell how much other equuipment? So comparing apples to oranges wont work. Sorry. $16/hour is pretty good. I dont know anything about your friend so i cant comment.
Ok, first of all, I'm also in Texas, but that is irrelevant.
Secondly, I DO have experience in construction. Get over yourself.
You're in Sugarland, a suburb of South Houston. I know it well. Lot's of hispanics. Let me ask you a question.
Say you head out for work one morning, and one or two of your hands don't show up. You stop at a convienience store for coffee. There is a group of hispanics hanging around the parking lot hoping for someone in your situation to come along and need a hand for a day. (It's a daily occurence here) Do you hire him? You know he's illegal.
If you say yes, your heart is bigger than your brain, since the fines for knowingly hiring illegal labor can put you out of business. If you say no, then you are a hypocrite.
Randy
Secondly, I DO have experience in construction. Get over yourself.
You're in Sugarland, a suburb of South Houston. I know it well. Lot's of hispanics. Let me ask you a question.
Say you head out for work one morning, and one or two of your hands don't show up. You stop at a convienience store for coffee. There is a group of hispanics hanging around the parking lot hoping for someone in your situation to come along and need a hand for a day. (It's a daily occurence here) Do you hire him? You know he's illegal.
If you say yes, your heart is bigger than your brain, since the fines for knowingly hiring illegal labor can put you out of business. If you say no, then you are a hypocrite.
Randy
In response to that, let me quote you: "Most stereotypes, if not all, are true anyway."
But, yes, it is rediculous to make assumptions. Next time you see a hispanic standing in a parking lot around or shortly after dawn, ask him if he's looking for work. then ask him for his work visa. They'll laugh at you. "Ha! Ha! Stupid gringo. We don't need no stinking visas!"
But, yes, it is rediculous to make assumptions. Next time you see a hispanic standing in a parking lot around or shortly after dawn, ask him if he's looking for work. then ask him for his work visa. They'll laugh at you. "Ha! Ha! Stupid gringo. We don't need no stinking visas!"
in central alabama (nothing like texas im shure)i am guessing that 1 out of every 5 is legal.thats an assumption based on experience not fact,the one that is legal speaks a little or broken english and the others speak none usually.anyway the problem is still the problem.
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<font color=e87400> My favorite part of the current illegal immigrant situation is the fact that we are finally cracking down on them in a big way & it's primarily because of the renewed public interest which was derived by the Mexican march & the attempt to disrupt our economy on May 1st. I LOVE it. The very thing they thought would be they're salvation is turning into they're undoing!
Just to be clear. I'm against mass immigration, legal or illegal. Especially when it's low-wage laborers!
Cody.
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Just to be clear. I'm against mass immigration, legal or illegal. Especially when it's low-wage laborers!
Cody.
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chechnya said:
I totally disagree. Though there are many that won't do work that they feel is beneath them, they will do work if there is a need. There is a problem with wages. Too many employers are trying to get by with paying as little sa they can to enrich themselves. Personally, I make enough money that I can afford to pay my guys a little more than the industry standard for this area. Of course, this is remembering that the industry is dominated by illegal aliens here doe to the low wages.
Additionally, you say no american will do that work, I have a friend that has the largest roofing business in the nation. EVERY one of his roofers has to a)pass a background check, and b) be accepted by a crew. They are also paid very well. Some of them make 100k a year installing roofs.
The minumu wage is nto the problem. Greed of employers is the problem.