President's Record

[Dale Walkowsk]

Oneness, I wasn't attributing everything to you...just the part about you being open to discussing reasonings behind peoples beliefs in politics or religion....and then posting something about..(paraphrasing here)..NO HOMOS AND QUEERS...PERIOD. and that was the last post..uhh...that was the only post on the subject I believe. It hard to remember or be accurate..the posts have dissappeared like Bushs military records. The accusation of atheist..etc. may have came from somebody else. But thats besides the point I was only pointing out that it seemed hypocritical to hissy off the scene after one post and not even attempt to answer a simple question which was ..I think..in referring to gay marraige being a "threat" to everyone...I asked whats the threat?.........no response from anyone tho it seemed like many had a very strong belief that it IS a threat and the logic eludes me and so I asked...no insult intended...just asking for insight.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Dan..A little fixated on sex and religion are we? lol.
What is the "highly respected politically neutral journal" you're referring to?

All of your points have the "black or white" flavor of simplistic conclusions. In the real world very few things if any are black or white.

Yes it is worth repeating...

And what is that "highly respected politically neutral journal again?"

 

[OrangeCrest]

It is worth repeating

Hmmm... Considering the above... I... I... Hmmmm

Yeah Bush still sucks and I will be voting Democrat even though I am a strong believer and supporter of the Reagan Republican party and the Reagan Republican values.

Bush has killed how many babies during this war? How many women? How many men that were supporting their government just like our men and women are doing for us?

How many of our men and women in the military have been killed because of Bush?

How many children worldwide have now been orphaned because of Bush's lies and impatience?

How many children now have to grow up knowing the U.S. government killed a family member? Oh that's going to stop terrorist in the future...

The list goes on and on...

Now... How many are going to add to this list by trying to get this fool in office for another four-years?

Gay Marriage? Abortion? Kind of trivial wouldn't you say?

Note: Nothing personal directed to anyone, I respect everyone's right to choose who they vote for as I do toward a woman who chooses to have an abortion. It's the law and as an American you have that right to choose. Kind of fun to be able to debate this and the thread hasn't been closed down yet...

Shhh... Did you hear something? That isn't a hinge closing is it? LOL!!

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Orangecrest,

Gay Marriage? Abortion? Kind of trivial wouldn't you say?...

Absolutely..total distraction issues. But look out ..if Pavlov is right here come the salivators.

 

[squirtgun]

What seperates this war from any other the US has been invloved in since WWII or Korea??Oh wait we aren't supposed to call Korea and Vietnam wars,they were police actions.Bullsh&t,war is war.Why does this generation have such a problem with war?You bet it sucks that our soldiers are dying,but each and everyone knew that war and possiblely death could result from joining the military they day they enlisted.My heart breaks every time I see a family has had to bury a loved one.
Thank God 60+ years ago people didn't think like a bunch of scared little girls or we would all be speaking Japanese or German.Grow up wars have been taking place for thousands of years,and they will for thousands after we have all died and turned to dust.If Bush had sat back and done nothing about Bin Laden or the suspected link with Sadam you would still be after his head.Kinda damned if you do,and damned if you don't.

If you are going to hold Bush personally accountable for the military deaths in this war,then shouldn't we go back and defile the names of every president that was in change of the US during a war in which American soldiers died?

Fighting the good fight is never going to be popular with 100% of the population.

 

[CaroliProWash]

What seperates this war from any other the US has been invloved in since WWII or Korea??Oh wait we aren't supposed to call Korea and Vietnam wars,they were police actions.Bullsh&t,war is war.Why does this generation have such a problem with war?You bet it sucks that our soldiers are dying,but each and everyone knew that war and possiblely death could result from joining the military they day they enlisted.My heart breaks every time I see a family has had to bury a loved one.
Thank God 60+ years ago people didn't think like a bunch of scared little girls or we would all be speaking Japanese or German.Grow up wars have been taking place for thousands of years,and they will for thousands after we have all died and turned to dust.If Bush had sat back and done nothing about Bin Laden or the suspected link with Sadam you would still be after his head.Kinda damned if you do,and damned if you don't.

If you are going to hold Bush personally accountable for the military deaths in this war,then shouldn't we go back and defile the names of every president that was in change of the US during a war in which American soldiers died?

Fighting the good fight is never going to be popular with 100% of the population.

[rwb] Semper Fi, Scott!!!!!!!

Roger

 

[oneness]

Oneness, I wasn't attributing everything to you...just the part about you being open to discussing reasonings behind peoples beliefs in politics or religion....and then posting something about..(paraphrasing here)..NO HOMOS AND QUEERS...PERIOD. and that was the last post..uhh...that was the only post on the subject I believe. It hard to remember or be accurate..the posts have dissappeared like Bushs military records. The accusation of atheist..etc. may have came from somebody else. But thats besides the point I was only pointing out that it seemed hypocritical to hissy off the scene after one post and not even attempt to answer a simple question which was ..I think..in referring to gay marraige being a "threat" to everyone...I asked whats the threat?.........no response from anyone tho it seemed like many had a very strong belief that it IS a threat and the logic eludes me and so I asked...no insult intended...just asking for insight.

Dale:

First, I never said "NO HOMOS AND QUEERS... PERIOD." If I did, please post the reference. It isn't something I would say...I do recall something to that effect being said repeatedly by someone who no longer comes to this board...Bullywash or something like that. I never "hissyed" off the scene after one post. You're getting me confused with someone else...sorry.

I never said that I would be open to discussing the reasonings in people's beliefs in politics or religion...I said that people ought to be able to discuss things without it getting out of hand, as it did in that thread. While I AM open to discussing the reasons someone thinks certain things in some cases, I am totally closed to discussion in other areas...There are some things in my view that are totally closed subjects...they've been settled, and there's no point in arguing them back and forth. For example, abortion. We can argue this until Jesus comes back and I will never, never accept that it is moral or right to end the life of an unborn baby. I can talk to you about it without getting personal or nasty, but there's really no point. I'm not changing my mind, so if I come to the conclusion that you are as equally closedminded about it, then I will end the discussion...why waste both our times?

It was the same thing here in this thread...A few of us going back and forth and not much getting accomplished, at least on my end. So, I chose to stop responding (which apparently didn't work).

 

[oneness]

Orangecrest,

Gay Marriage? Abortion? Kind of trivial wouldn't you say?...

Absolutely..total distraction issues. But look out ..if Pavlov is right here come the salivators.

Yeah, gay marriage is a trivial issue compared to people dying and terrorists attacking. Abortion isn't quite so trivial. Millions killed per year for convenience, and it is called trivial. 1000 soldiers die to remove a dictator who has links to terrorism and everyone thinks the world is coming to an end.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

If you are going to hold Bush personally accountable for the military deaths in this war,then shouldn't we go back and defile the names of every president that was in change of the US during a war in which American soldiers died?

No..
Everything is not black or white. One can be for one action in one set of circumstances and against the same action in a different set of conditions.

Using you reasoning..are you FOR all wars?
Was Viet Nam a good idea?

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Oneness,
You're right I got you confused with Onecall...I found the thread...Sorry.
It was awhile ago and I confused Oneness with Onecall...and the reference was to Queers and Lesbians PERIOD. Again Sorry for the accusation.

 

[squirtgun]

Honestly,did I say I was for war?Nope so don't put words in my mouth.
I don't think there has ever been a war that was a good idea.However,let's face the fact that we don't live in a perfect society,so in light of that,war is inevitable(sp),because mankind just can't get along with each other.
I find it funny that people think one war is more acceptable than another because of the circumstances that let up to it.My how wishy-washy we are as a society.
Actually all wars are the same for one simple reason, people die soldiers or civilians.

 

[OrangeCrest]

What seperates this war from any other the US has been invloved in since WWII or Korea??Oh wait we aren't supposed to call Korea and Vietnam wars,they were police actions.Bullsh&t,war is war.Why does this generation have such a problem with war?You bet it sucks that our soldiers are dying,but each and everyone knew that war and possiblely death could result from joining the military they day they enlisted.My heart breaks every time I see a family has had to bury a loved one.
Thank God 60+ years ago people didn't think like a bunch of scared little girls or we would all be speaking Japanese or German.Grow up wars have been taking place for thousands of years,and they will for thousands after we have all died and turned to dust.If Bush had sat back and done nothing about Bin Laden or the suspected link with Sadam you would still be after his head.Kinda damned if you do,and damned if you don't.

If you are going to hold Bush personally accountable for the military deaths in this war,then shouldn't we go back and defile the names of every president that was in change of the US during a war in which American soldiers died?

Fighting the good fight is never going to be popular with 100% of the population.

Major difference here... We attacked without being attacked...

First time in U.S. history we have ever attacked a country without being attacked.

The United States looks more and more like a monarchy everyday... We are becoming a third world country closer and closer and closer... I don't think anyone would ever believe it if you were to go back in time and tell them the status quos of the U.S. and how the world looks at the U.S. in the year 2004.

Bush is a loser and he needs to stop having his sleazy little drunks writing his debates, because it is biting him on the ass...

Did anyone else watch the republican convention when the little sluts got up on stage and started talking about sex?

Does it run in the family to just be oblivious to world or what?

Funny how they say they are just kids... It really blew me away when Barbara Bush said that...

What grandmother would say that and what does that say about the person who is the top lawmaker of the land? Oppss!! I forgot he is a drunk and cokehead himself, huh?

Father like daughter? YIKES!!

At least we have Cheney in office, his daughter at least.... Oppsss.... That's right, I forgot you guys don't like the homo-factor.

Yeah it would really suck to have Kerry's daughter representing the U.S. with her... aaaaa... Her.... Hmmmm... I'm drawing blank here... Is she a lesbo or anything? I'm sure there has to be some dirt somewhere on her...

Quick!! Someone call the Christian coalition, we need a story made up quick... You know with some Christian values being violated somewhere...

 

[CaroliProWash]

Major difference here... We attacked without being attacked...

First time in U.S. history we have ever attacked a country without being attacked.

Did I miss something here - didn't NY & Washington get attacked which prompted the whole mess to begin with?

The United States looks more and more like a monarchy everyday... We are becoming a third world country closer and closer and closer... I don't think anyone would ever believe it if you were to go back in time and tell them the status quos of the U.S. and how the world looks at the U.S. in the year 2004.

Bush is a loser and he needs to stop having his sleazy little drunks writing his debates, because it is biting him on the ass...

Did anyone else watch the republican convention when the little sluts got up on stage and started talking about sex?

Does it run in the family to just be oblivious to world or what?

Funny how they say they are just kids... It really blew me away when Barbara Bush said that...

What grandmother would say that and what does that say about the person who is the top lawmaker of the land? Oppss!! I forgot he is a drunk and cokehead himself, huh?

Father like daughter? YIKES!!

At least we have Cheney in office, his daughter at least.... Oppsss.... That's right, I forgot you guys don't like the homo-factor.

Yeah it would really suck to have Kerry's daughter representing the U.S. with her... aaaaa... Her.... Hmmmm... I'm drawing blank here... Is she a lesbo or anything? I'm sure there has to be some dirt somewhere on her...

Quick!! Someone call the Christian coalition, we need a story made up quick... You know with some Christian values being violated somewhere...

The remainder of this quote shouldn't even be dignified with a response.

 

[OrangeCrest]

Yeah, gay marriage is a trivial issue compared to people dying and terrorists attacking. Abortion isn't quite so trivial. Millions killed per year for convenience, and it is called trivial. 1000 soldiers die to remove a dictator who has links to terrorism and everyone thinks the world is coming to an end.

No one has died trying to drag Bush out of office yet... Oh you mean the other dictator....

Funny how when someone attacks us, they are refered to as a terrorist or a evil dictator, but when we attacked unprovoked, we are upright...

If you asked me or many others through out the world, I too would classify it as a terrorist act to bomb a city and remove a sitting government and kill its citizens (by mistake, or on purpose).

Believe me, after seeing the images of those arabs dancing in the streets after the 9/11 attacks, if Bush would have flown to N.Y. by fighter and said this is it and bomb the hell out of Afganistan and Iraq, I would have been laughing and dancing in the streets as well, but that is why we have a process of going thru the U.N. and building up a coalition, because we are supposed to be the top industrial nation that follows laws and has restraint.

Instead Bush was trying to find a rock to hide under before he got a bo-bo.

[puke] Oh sorry... Everytime I think of what a whimp he is, it makes me regurgitate everything I have eaten in the past month...

 

[squirtgun]

Orangecrest and Dale,
It's as simple as I stated earlier,you believe in the candidate you do,and I in mine,for whatever reason we both choose.Vote for your guy and when it's all said and done back the winner.That is what we as Americans should do with any president right,wrong or indifferent.
Orangecrest,
I have yet to slander Kerry's wife,kids or mother can you say the same?No I don't think Bush's daughters comments were to cool,but what's done is done.

Would you really like someone calling your daughter "sleazy little drunks"?
Calling one of my kids that it would surely get someones ass whipped.

Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and no I don't approve.I also do not approve of gay marriage,but I will admit it's based strictly on the religious beliefs I was raised with.I have gay friends,and honestly I don't know any of them that are pushing to have gay marriage rights.It must not be as big of a concern to them as it is to gay people in other parts of the country.

Bottom line is vote for your guy and see who comes out the victor.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Squiregun
I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was applying your logic to your position..i.e. If you are going to hold Bush personally accountable for the military deaths in this war,then shouldn't we go back and defile the names of every president that was in change of the US during a war in which American soldiers died?
So using your logic(not putting words in your mouth) if you're for this war...you must be for ALL wars...doesn't really make sense does it?

Am I correct in understanding you to be saying that you think circumstances DON'T have anything to do with determining if a war is a justifiable war or an simply a idealogical "jihad"?

 

[OrangeCrest]

"...First time in U.S. history we have ever attacked a country without being attacked..."

Did I miss something here - didn't NY & Washington get attacked which prompted the whole mess to begin with?


The remainder of this quote shouldn't even be dignified with a response.

Who is this, George H Bush? LOL!! His quote was actually, "I won't dignify that with a responce." When the press tried to acuse him of having an affair during his last months in office.

As for you missing something? I believe so... If you haven't heard, the 9/11 commission, Collin Powell and everyone else has come back, with the exception of Bush and Cheney, that there was no connect between Hussein and Al-Qaida; therefore, Iraq had nothing to do with any attacks on the U.S. using Al-Qaida, which in turn unjustifies Bush attack on Iraq, which they have confirmed Bush was planning on doing way before the 9/11 attacks in the first place.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

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Orangecrest and Dale,
It's as simple as I stated earlier,you believe in the candidate you do,and I in mine,for whatever reason we both choose.Vote for your guy and when it's all said and done back the winner.That is what we as Americans should do with any president right,wrong or indifferent.
Orangecrest,
I have yet to slander Kerry's wife,kids or mother can you say the same?No I don't think Bush's daughters comments were to cool,but what's done is done.

Would you really like someone calling your daughter "sleazy little drunks"?
Calling one of my kids that it would surely get someones ass whipped.

Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and no I don't approve.I also do not approve of gay marriage,but I will admit it's based strictly on the religious beliefs I was raised with.I have gay friends,and honestly I don't know any of them that are pushing to have gay marriage rights.It must not be as big of a concern to them as it is to gay people in other parts of the country.

Bottom line is vote for your guy and see who comes out the victor.


Squirtgun,
Now That post makes sense to me.
__________________

 

[squirtgun]

Dale,
I'm just a simple Southwest GA redneck that doesn't play games with peoples words and there was no hidden meanings as to how I feel about war in what I typed.It was an honest opinion,from someone whom doesn't pretend to be smarter than the rest of the world.
Basically you stated you would support a war if the circumstances suited your needs.I'm saying that every war is justified to someone.This one was justified to the vast majority of americans until it became PC not to support it.
Really is my viewpoint so threatening to people who don't think like I do,that they have to try and read between the lines to find some hidden meaning in my words?Really there isn't any.Just observations from a simple man.
Damn,why do I get myself into these political debates,politicains rank right up there with carsalesmen in my book.You can't live without them,and you can't drown them all.

 

[OrangeCrest]

Orangecrest and Dale,
It's as simple as I stated earlier,you believe in the candidate you do,and I in mine,for whatever reason we both choose.Vote for your guy and when it's all said and done back the winner.That is what we as Americans should do with any president right,wrong or indifferent.
Orangecrest,
I have yet to slander Kerry's wife,kids or mother can you say the same?No I don't think Bush's daughters comments were to cool,but what's done is done.

Would you really like someone calling your daughter "sleazy little drunks"?
Calling one of my kids that it would surely get someones ass whipped.

Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and no I don't approve.I also do not approve of gay marriage,but I will admit it's based strictly on the religious beliefs I was raised with.I have gay friends,and honestly I don't know any of them that are pushing to have gay marriage rights.It must not be as big of a concern to them as it is to gay people in other parts of the country.

Bottom line is vote for your guy and see who comes out the victor.

Squirtgun...

I have friends that were killed by drunken drivers, they are known to be slutty from a christian since and everything can be documented... Their stage performance had to be their lite side (LOL!! Bush Lite), but I refer that as being sleazy, wouldn't you agree? Not slander if it is fact...

I agree with you about supporting the victor and I back you for voting for whom ever you may choose.

This is all in fun and expressing one's feelings on the subject.