put your money where your mouth is

[timhays]

ps on that house i used 12 gallons hydrochloric acid $1.28 gallon=$15.36 in chemicals,if the house wouldnt have been that bad at 50/50 cost would be $7.50 per house,in the 3.5 hours my machine used approx 2 gallons of fuel at $1.84 per gallon.

chemicals $15.36
machine fuel $3.68
labor 3.5 hrs
pricetag $579.00

if i was to pay a laborer $15 per hour this house cleaning would have cost me labor $52.50
fuel $3.68
chemicals $15.36
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cost before ovrhd $71.54

$71.54from $579= $507.46

if you cannot pay your overhead and expenses(all of them i left out) from the amount that is left over per job one would have to wonder.
this is one job,easy to do 2 of these in a day,if you have 5 guys and give them 2 a day add that up. $5,000 a day
this raises an interesting point,the gentleman who started this argument on the other board claims my prices are half what his is,and that i am too low,debating how one could do a proper job for that price.. not only am i making a profit with my system,how much lower do you think i could go in a price war,or to takeover market share?

especially considering everything i have personal and business related is paid for except the mortgage,how lo can you go?


i know where every penny goes from every hour worked toward our overhead.

 

[squirtgun]

Tim,

I know you may not be happy with what happened over on Steve's BBS but he did what he felt was best,since he uses the BBS to helps sell his RPC chemicals.It's unfortunate that things went the way they did.

Are you saying that Steve's chemicals aren't strong enough to get the job done?
I can vouche for the effectiveness of the chemicals Steve sells,as well as, the customer services he provides to the contractors he sells to.

I also understand the method you use to clean brick.I would agree this is not something for a newbie or someone new to brick work(i.e. ME) I also see why this method works so quickly for you.I learn more every day and that will only help our business grow.

 

[zap]

???

orangecrest,i scrape the house first then wash with acid solution,entire house.

What does all that acid and brick shmegma do to the glass , and the copper flashing ?? Paint on window trim ??I've used acid on brick before also used Detrichs brick restorer both products called for very careful application. on surface and full body protection . Personally I don't see this house getting done in 3.5 hrs with one man.Taking in all these concerns..

 

[timhays]

ok how about one hyperactive,bi-polar,with A-D-D,man moving very quickly,after drinking a monster energy drink,are you happy now?

steves products are very satisfactory,the post was meant to discourage people who have no business manufacturing there own cleaning products and to show that i wasnt mad at steve.

i know why he did what he did,if you remember correctly i was a perfect gentleman the entire time while the people who buy his products were the ones out of line,however i was banned and they were not.(even though i never said anything that would damage his relationship btween his customers)

its perfectly clear it was business and i was a casulty,i understand because i am a business man myself and i am not mad.

 

[timhays]

What does all that acid and brick shmegma do to the glass , and the copper flashing ?? Paint on window trim ??I've used acid on brick before also used Detrichs brick restorer both products called for very careful application. on surface and full body protection . Personally I don't see this house getting done in 3.5 hrs with one man.Taking in all these concerns..

you canot use any masonry cleaner around copper anything roofs,light fixtures flashing nothing,we use water only in these situations and advise the builder to call us before installing them next time.

if you let any masonry cleaner dry or dwell to long on any surface its not good for it,the best solution is to rinse all items after you apply chemical and again once you are finished cleaning the brick. this includes all windows fixtures and the fascia and soffit vents.

 

[timhays]

once again i might add daily tours are available for training 1 student per day
for an introductory price of $995.00 per class

we are offering classes on brick cleaning 101
flatwork 202

any more doubts as to our proprietary system please direct your reservation payment via Paypal and we will schedule you a date.

100% money back guarrantee.

i am kidding on the classes,our methods,and strategies are proprietary and not meant to be divulged as they strenghten and add value to our company.

 

[squirtgun]

Tim,
Thank you for clearing that up.Steve is as much or more of a friend,than he is our supplier.
Casualties are the worse part of situations,like the one that happened the other night.

 

[timhays]

ive worked all day and it is now 10:30 pm i have to get ready for a night job that will take me till 3 am to finish and i have to get up early tomorrow to clean 5 vinyl houses with driveways,so i have to say goodnight (i wish)

 

[oneness]

all i am asking is be polite and dont tell me im lying about anything i tell you.

or i will be asking you to put up a downpayment on my new Mercedes.lol

See, I guess that's where you and I differ. I know what I'm capable of, and what I'm not. I couldn't give a rat's ass whether you believe me, or want to call me a liar, or whatever. If it makes you happy, then I guess we're both happy. I don't feel threatened by you or anyone else calling into question by abilities, by integrity, or my honesty.

I notice, as someone pointed out on the Cleaner Network, that you left out the part where you were "saying F'ing this and F'ing that and wanted to put a gun to someone's head. Wonder why??? "

When your ego and insecurities make you want to threaten someone else's life, you need to get some things checked out. Mentally I mean. Get some help for that anger problem. The world really isn't out to get you.

 

[Firedkm]

if you remember correctly i was a perfect gentleman the entire time while the people who buy his products were the ones out of line,however i was banned and they were not.(even though i never said anything that would damage his relationship btween his customers)

Tim,
You being a gentleman on the Cleaner Network is a BOLD FACE LIE You were droping the f bombs being disrespectful to some of the ladies on the board and then you went way over board saying you were going to take a 45 to a another members head! I dont think that is being a gentleman in my book. As far as I am concerned you owe some apoligies to several people for being so disrespectful.

All these boards are for everyone to learn and share there ways of doing things. They are not here to make threats to bodily harm.

So what was really the big deal that someone called you out on your methods that you were bragging about. Big deal, whoopdy doo!!!!

 

[Jon]

Part of this thread is exactly why I do not buy from other pressure washers.

I buy from companies like ZEP, not the fake retail stuff but from their industrial warehouse.

I seldom ever break from this policy and most not all but most of those that sell products with private label are avilable to others under your own private lablel if you wanted to become a distributor.

Not to get this started I will simply say in order to prove a point everyone who wants to brag has to include before and after pictures of the same area at the same time of day even if you have to go back the next day.

Very important to take picture from same location with same amount of light.

That said Tim I think a lot of the disbelievers could become believers had you posted those before pictures which I am sure you took.

Jon

 

[zap]

What does all that acid and brick shmegma do to the glass , and the copper flashing ?? Paint on window trim ??I've used acid on brick before also used Detrichs brick restorer both products called for very careful application. on surface and full body protection . Personally I don't see this house getting done in 3.5 hrs with one man.Taking in all these concerns..

Well I see you dodged the question pretty well , looking at the photos I see bay window copper flashing and light fixtures. ( not to mention a deck ,so did you just use water on this house or secret method ?? the other question that you didn't answer is about the glass and painted trim , how do you blow mortar tags off a house without scratching the glass?? Oh yeah ,try resperedal for your ADD works for the anger part..

 

[Larry L.]

Doesn't have to post before and after picture for me to see,if a feller says he can do something why waste my time trying to prove him wrong.When a feller is shoveling money under your nose and says he can,why give him more money to shovel under your nose saying he cann't...huh.

Tim's way is speed cleaning and the chemicals he uses cleans faster than any I know of,Plus in most cases the job will be cleaner.Where is nothing setting in his way as to hinder him in his speed on that job,the old saying let the chemicals do the work.

If the house were dirty with soot,meldew and stuff it would take 30 minutes or so longer doing it Tim's way.I'll keep my money and spend it on time offs as to give it to someone that knows he can.

Yes they are alot of different ladels with the same chemical inside them and anybody can start their own chemical company.

 

[squirtgun]

RPC chemicals

Part of this thread is exactly why I do not buy from other pressure washers.

I buy from companies like ZEP, not the fake retail stuff but from their industrial warehouse.

I seldom ever break from this policy and most not all but most of those that sell products with private label are avilable to others under your own private lablel if you wanted to become a distributor.

Not to get this started I will simply say in order to prove a point everyone who wants to brag has to include before and after pictures of the same area at the same time of day even if you have to go back the next day.

Very important to take picture from same location with same amount of light.

That said Tim I think a lot of the disbelievers could become believers had you posted those before pictures which I am sure you took.

Jon

Jon,
The thread on TCN had nothing to do with the chemicals Steve sells.It was over a price and process difference between to contractors who live in the same state.
The RPC chemicals are IMHO the best we have used.It's more than just paying for a private label thing for Steve.He has had input into the process used,the strengths and how his chemicals are made.He takes the time to talk with the contractors he sells to,and doesn't try to sell you things you don't need.It isn't a matter of just selling chemcials for Steve,he is trying to help our industry through service and education.
He also is on top of the DOT regs and Hazmat Regs that are associated with selling the products and goes to great lengths to make sure his customers understand the regs,as well as, the proper usages.
The only way you would be able to decide if Steve's chemicals are as good as or better than any other companies is to give them a try.RPC are our chemicals of choice,because they preform exactly as Steve promises.

 

[Beth]

I saw the thread over on TCN, and I was really surprised by the content. That thread was way over the top, and not professional. Then the link was posted on the PWNA site, The Grime Scene, and on PWI.

We get a call at 7am alerting us to the link on TGS, just about the same time I spotted it. It was pulled from TGS and PWNA, and I called Mike about the one on PWI.

It was the way Dale said it was a few posts back. And he's right, no need for it.

Beth

 

[OrangeCrest]

I still think that is a pretty clean house... Love the brick...

Who knows, maybe some of us can pick up a few things here and there from him... The way one does something doesn't always mean it is the best way or the way for someone to do it.

Great job, and if you did it in 3 hours, even better... Now on to the next house to make even more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[timhays]

See, I guess that's where you and I differ. I know what I'm capable of, and what I'm not. I couldn't give a rat's ass whether you believe me, or want to call me a liar, or whatever. If it makes you happy, then I guess we're both happy. I don't feel threatened by you or anyone else calling into question by abilities, by integrity, or my honesty.

I notice, as someone pointed out on the Cleaner Network, that you left out the part where you were "saying F'ing this and F'ing that and wanted to put a gun to someone's head. Wonder why??? "

When your ego and insecurities make you want to threaten someone else's life, you need to get some things checked out. Mentally I mean. Get some help for that anger problem. The world really isn't out to get you.

that wasnt me i never threatened anyone,.you seem to be the one causing the problem mike please leave me alone i dont have the patience to deal with your crap.

 

[timhays]

Part of this thread is exactly why I do not buy from other pressure washers.

I buy from companies like ZEP, not the fake retail stuff but from their industrial warehouse.

I seldom ever break from this policy and most not all but most of those that sell products with private label are avilable to others under your own private lablel if you wanted to become a distributor.

Not to get this started I will simply say in order to prove a point everyone who wants to brag has to include before and after pictures of the same area at the same time of day even if you have to go back the next day.

Very important to take picture from same location with same amount of light.



Jon

never took before pics,had no reason to,i did however drive an hour to get the photos of that house in question the day after which now i wish i hadnt wasted my time.

 

[timhays]

Well I see you dodged the question pretty well , looking at the photos I see bay window copper flashing and light fixtures. ( not to mention a deck ,so did you just use water on this house or secret method ?? the other question that you didn't answer is about the glass and painted trim , how do you blow mortar tags off a house without scratching the glass?? Oh yeah ,try resperedal for your ADD works for the anger part..

go away zap,deck was on the house so was fixtures,that is a black metal roof not copper

please do not waste my time with these stupid questions you and i know you are smarter than this.cody or lance,which one is it?

 

[timhays]

no more posts on this subject,good luck too all and i wish you the best.