So.. Do you still Love GW Bush?

[Cody]

<font color=e87400>Had a couple discussions about Bushy over the years, I think we had one pre Invasion of Iraq & one pre election 2004. There were alot of Bush lovers here then. I'm wondering how many of you have changed your minds in-light of new era we are in!

Cody

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[grasshawg]

The president's priority one is protecting the country. I think he's done a pretty damn good job of that when I think of how Al Gore would've handled 9/11. Have you heard the crap coming out of his mouth? That's the kind of stuff that drives the enemy.

For some reason, it seems the public as a whole has forgotten how they felt when the towers fell. G.W. hasn't. He's still as passionate about it as ever. Would that the rest of America felt the same. We'd be as strong as we were on Jan 7, 1941.

It seems people feel he has to be perfect or he's a retard. He's a man. A man who does make mistakes. Did Clinton make mistakes? Bush 41? Reagan? Carter? Need I go on? Point is, nobody (especailly the media) seems to take that into account.

Should we have tried even harder to get along with murderous cowards who want to kill us? Did Saddam Hussien have anything to do with 9/11? I don't know, nor do I care. After 12 years of U.N. sanctions, and 17 resolutions, he continued to thumb his nose at the U.N. (which is, in itself a big joke). He continued to oppress his people, (torure chambers, mass graves, rape roooms). Bottom line, 9/11 or not, WMB's or not, he needed his ass kicked.

Were we right to go to Iraq? I say, Hell yeah!
Do I still support G. W.? Hell, yeah!

Randy

 

[wgasa]

Bush

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[FCPWLLC]

I really have no personal feelings about "Bush" per se. However, as a business owner, I do prefer the ideas of the Republican party when it comes to taxation and incentives for businesses.

If there were no balance of Repulicans and Democrats, and Democrats had it thier way, we would be taxed more and we would be paying even more for the lazy and uneducated to sit on butts drawing a check.

We provide jobs and services to our communities. We deserve the tax incentives we enjoy at the end of the year. Democrats feel that just because we make a little more money, that we should carry more burden in taxes.

War aside, things aren't that bad. Sure, we don't like to see our friends and family dying, but those soldiers are heroes and provide us with a freedom to be Business owners and be independent. Hire them and give them a job when they come home.

As for GW Bush, there will be another President that we will find "problems" with soon and another one after that one.

 

[Dkwood]

Dam_ straight !!!

 

[MPW]

Mega ditto!

 

[wgasa]

Bush

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[Mark]

 

[Cody]

<font color=e87400> Looks like only 7 Bushy’s left. I guess that's not too bad, more than I thought there would be. Maybe next year after we max out our new $9 trillion credit line & he ask for a nice round $10T, he'll lose a couple more of you!

 

[grasshawg]

Complete foolishness and lack of understanding leads some people to think we as a nation or as individuals will EVER be out of debt. Are religious statements allowed here? Never seen any. This may open up a Pandora's Box, but here we go.
IMHO, it's a sad existence to worry over how much money we have. Instead of quoting the words of the Bible, I'll give the references.
I Timothy 6:6-10.
Matthew 6:31-34
Getting off my soap box now. Those are the words that keep me form going crazy worrying about getting the bills paid. God is my comfort.
I think GW feels the same way. That's why I like him. And he's not scared to say it. He doesn't redefine himself every few weeks to cater to yet another special interest group. He's always the same. Since when have we had a leader like that? Like him or not, you have to admire his consistency.
He is not perfect, however. I must admit he does spend like a liberal, and he absolutely MUST get better control of our borders. The open door inviting terrorists to just walk right in MUST be closed!
Randy

 

[Cody]

<font color=e87400>LOL,, Must be a Fox affiliated message board. That Mp3 sound clip of Bushy came down lightning fast. Another fine example of rightwing censorship. Oh #$#^ there's the truth, get rid of it QUICK!

grasshawg: The only thing Bush has been consistent about is his inconsistency to tell the truth! Ok, there is one more thing he's been consistent about & that's his inability to articulate!
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[grasshawg]

Spoken like a true lib. Ok, so he's not a great speaker. Big deal. Does a person's ability or inability to articulate make them a leader? I think not. Somebody help me. What great leader of this nation was a horrible stutterer? Seems like it was either a president or a war hero General.
Cody, this could go on forever with absolutely no resolve. We can agree to disagree can't we? You probably loved Clinton, and had your reasons. I despised him and I have my reasons. Those will probably never change.
I don't expect to ever change your opinion. After all, you're standing up for what you believe in, and that commands respect.
Guess what? So does GW!
Randy

 

[MBryan]

Count me in as still pro-Bush. There have been other Presidents that have been inconsistent about telling th truth as well, I think it goes with the job. As far as Iraq goes, sure it was for oil, but I think people don't realize that sometimes governments have to do what they have to do to make things go right. Imagine how many times you parent lied to you growing up, we are just little kids to them methinks.

There was a little movie called Three Days of the Condor that summed up our current situation pretty well in the final scene:

Higgins: It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!

 

[Navigator7]

Count me as pro Bush.

Count me as one who sees the UN as an ineffective global destabilizer.
They didn't do what they said they were gonna do....when it came to Saddam, the perfect ingredient for raising spoiled brat kids....and creating a Saddam and the radical muslims.

clinton....who's name I refuse to capitalize, has not yet received the full credit he is due for lowering America's status in the world to that of a welcome mat.

I'm reading a book, Unholy Alliance, Radical Islam and The American Left, by David Horowitz.
The first page:

Part One
A Defining Moment

"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
-President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

"Here is our answer: We refuse to allow you to speak for all the American people...We refuse to be party to these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or for our welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will show our solidarity in word and deed."
-"Not In Our Name," Advertisement New York Times, Sept 19, 2002

I'd say we have an enemy among us...they are known as Liberals.

 

[Mathew Johnson]

Just a quick question? How much were you paying for a gallon of gas when Hillary Clinton was President?

 

[Mathew Johnson]

And yes, I to voted for GB once.

 

[grasshawg]

Nice try. But as I posted before, "lack of understanding". Believe it or not, the president has little or no control over fuel prices. OPEC, and the oil companies do.
And don't say it: "Bush is an oil man." That seems to be the only thing anyone can say to me when I point this out.
The prices right now are governed by instability in the Middle East, and slow recovery from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
I know what you're thinking--again. Bush started the "instability" in the Middle East, and it's Bush's fault the people of Louisiana elected morons to office.

News flash: Saddam Hussein is just one of the sadistic tyrannical rulers to cause instability in the Middle East, as well as having a finger on the pulse of oil exports.
Osama Bin Laden is only one of the cowardly murderers to cause instability in the Middlle East.
Mayor Ray Nagen of New Orleans and Gov. Kathleen Blanco, (may as well throw Sen Mary Landrew in there too) are just the most recent of a long line of morons the people of Louisiana have chosen to "lead" them.
Me? I choose a man who is as tired as I am of taking crap from these people and standing up and saying "enough"!
Tired of appeasing evil. Tired of Liberals saying "we have to respect their rights".
Well, I don't give a rat's fat a$$ about the rights of anyone who takes the life of innocent human beings.
I'm tired of liberal politicians who stall the drilling of our own oil because it will harm the pristine nature of the environment, and destroy the habitat of a few hundred caribou. Then complain because prices are going up because we have to pay the higher prices buying from someone else.
I'm tired of pouring money into already broken programs only to make them worse. That's the liberal answer to everything: Throw money at it, and expect it to fix itself.

Are fuel prices too high? YES! Is it Bush's fault? Perhaps not.
Randy

 

[Cody]

<font color=e87400>Wow! You guys ought to pick up a news paper once in a while. You’re so out of touch it’s pathetic. This is the reason our system doesn’t really work, so many people are ignorant to what is happening around them yet are still allowed to go & vote. People go & make the popular vote & not the realistic vote.</font>


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Spoken like a true lib. Ok, so he's not a great speaker. Big deal. Does a person's ability or inability to articulate make them a leader? I think not. Somebody help me. What great leader of this nation was a horrible stutterer? Seems like it was either a president or a war hero General.
Cody, this could go on forever with absolutely no resolve. We can agree to disagree can't we? You probably loved Clinton, and had your reasons. I despised him and I have my reasons. Those will probably never change.
I don't expect to ever change your opinion. After all, you're standing up for what you believe in, and that commands respect.
Guess what? So does GW!
Randy
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 Well., Actually his inability to articulate is a big deal. Can you imagine how his mixed messages must seem to his foreign listeners at summits where he’s speaking & is being translated. Here’s just one of a hundred battered Bush statements <I>"I can't wait to join you in the joy of welcoming neighbors back into neighborhoods, and small businesses up and running, and cutting those ribbons that somebody is creating new jobs." </I> I can just see the foreign nationals sitting there scratching their heads. I’m sure they’re thinking, Wow, what a genius & inspiration the American President is to human kind!

 Onward. No! We cannot agree to disagree. We can agree however that you either <b>A.</b> are Uninformed & Ignorant of the preponderance of available evidence where GW is a severly lacking President OR <b>B.</b> Don’t care about the evidence at hand & choose to base your decisions on personal pride & prejudices.

 GW does not command my respect!
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Nice try. But as I posted before, "lack of understanding". Believe it or not, the president has little or no control over fuel prices. OPEC, and the oil companies do.
And don't say it: "Bush is an oil man." That seems to be the only thing anyone can say to me when I point this out.
The prices right now are governed by instability in the Middle East, and slow recovery from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
I know what you're thinking--again. Bush started the "instability" in the Middle East, and it's Bush's fault the people of Louisiana elected morons to office.
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 More ignorance. The President can have everything to do with fuel prices. Fuel prices are driven by many factors. A leading factor is stability in the middle east. It’s a fact that everytime Iraq has ever had a hickup, fuel prices have risen. Well Operation Iraqi Freedom is one damn big hickup! And, it never should have happened. Were there because of GW, pure & simple! Iraq had nothing to do with 911, Iraq had never harmed a US Citizen prior to our invasion & there weren’t any WMD’s
 In addition the economy in general has an effect on oil prices. GW has given huge tax breaks to huge corporations & greatly reduced tariffs on foreign imports thus fueling foriegn / Non-US company exports to the USA & encouraging our own US companies to close factories in the US & outsource their productions. This action has diven the value of the USD($) down. Much of the outsourcing has gone to China, too China is a major exporter to the USA more so because of the encouraging trade tariffs. In turn China has artifically devalued their currency against ours, & this admisitration is letting them get away with it, & are now China is generating more need for oil thus again increasing it’s demand & cost.
 Want to see fuel prices plummet? Pull out of Iraq, Jack up the Trade Tariffs, force fair foreign trade & force up China’s currenty value, which will be simple to do after the later 2 are accomplished. Fuel will be $1.25 at the pump again. And these are all problems that “our†president has helped create. Problem with this plan is that some of America's largest corporations would take a huge financial hit by this as well, thus it isn't likely to happen any time soon.
 Might get it down a few more cents if we can once again get in the good graces with the rest of the planet!
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News flash: Saddam Hussein is just one of the sadistic tyrannical rulers to cause instability in the Middle East, as well as having a finger on the pulse of oil exports.
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 That’s right. So why are we just picking on Saddam?
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Osama Bin Laden is only one of the cowardly murderers to cause instability in the Middlle East.
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 Osama Bin Laden? Who’s that? Is that the guy that Bush was quoted saying <I>“oh. I don’t think much about him anymoreâ€</I> 6 months after 911? Yes, I know you'll find someway to dismiss & devalue this statement by your chosen leader.
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Me? I choose a man who is as tired as I am of taking crap from these people and standing up and saying "enough"!
Tired of appeasing evil. Tired of Liberals saying "we have to respect their rights".
Well, I don't give a rat's fat a$$ about the rights of anyone who takes the life of innocent human beings.
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 Now, I find this above statement rather appauling & extremely hypocritical. Because like it or not “WE†are currently “anyone†because “we†as a country are killing thousands! Our country has “taken the life†of around 35,000 to 40,000 innocent Iraqi Civilians <I>aka “human beingsâ€</I>thus far.
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And what is he saying "enough". Is it to the terrorist who attacked out country. The ones which we quit pursuing to attack Iraq? Heck, the war they put us into is creating the very thing they were "supposedly" out to destroy. If it weren't so sad it'd be laughable!
I'm tired of liberal politicians who stall the drilling of our own oil because it will harm the pristine nature of the environment, and destroy the habitat of a few hundred caribou. Then complain because prices are going up because we have to pay the higher prices buying from someone else.
I'm tired of pouring money into already broken programs only to make them worse. That's the liberal answer to everything: Throw money at it, and expect it to fix itself.
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 After the way this Admin has thrown money at nothing, you want to point that finger at the liberals!? WOW!
 And as for the Environment. It’s not about saving the caribou as you see it. It’s about the long term impact on the planet by destroying habitats via, slash & burn / strip-mining & environmental disasters created by industrial run-off, spills & exhaust &/or trading natural eco-systems for concrete & tarmac (which also creates massive run-off to surrounding natural eco-systems.
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Are fuel prices too high? YES! Is it Bush's fault? Perhaps not.
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[Cody]

<font color=e87400>I can’t forget about you Navigator7 </font>

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Count me as pro Bush.

Count me as one who sees the UN as an ineffective global destabilizer.
They didn't do what they said they were gonna do....when it came to Saddam, the perfect ingredient for raising spoiled brat kids....and creating a Saddam and the radical muslims.
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 You must be a Bushy, The sentence's there are almost as if they came from the man himself. Maybe I’m just stupid & there just to deep for me to understand! I may have to somewhat agree. The UN does seem to do an effective job of keeping many countries from destabilizing. If you’re poking the UN for their inspections of Iraq, then what are you poking them for? Iraq did everything they asked & the UN never found any WMD’s. We then said “No, we know you have them so show us where they are or we attack†For Iraq it’s like being put in jail for having a pound of coke they no one has ever seen! Anyway, the UN was plenty effective, they just couldn’t find any WMD’s because there weren’t any. The evidence they were trying to act on to find it & the evidence which eventually lead to our unprovoked / preemptive invasion was forged documentation & unfounded allegations!
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clinton....who's name I refuse to capitalize, has not yet received the full credit he is due for lowering America's status in the world to that of a welcome mat.
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 Yeah,, CLINTON was horrible, He generated a great economy, zero dept, low trade deficit, fair taxation, low unemployment rate, other countries loved us & we seldom saw an administration official in the news!
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I'm reading a book, Unholy Alliance, Radical Islam and The American Left, by David Horowitz.
The first page:

Part One
A Defining Moment

"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
-President George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

"Here is our answer: We refuse to allow you to speak for all the American people...We refuse to be party to these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or for our welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will show our solidarity in word and deed."
-"Not In Our Name," Advertisement New York Times, Sept 19, 2002
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 Not sure where you are going with this one. Appears perhaps the last quote here is a liberal quote? If so. Ok, I can agree with that. I personally find the Presidents' “with us or against us†quote insulting to me as an American!
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I'd say we have an enemy among us...they are known as Liberals.
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 This statement says a lot about you. Do you have a shaved head & a swastika tattoo? I ask because you seem to be swimming in HATE. You attack those people who would rather try to resolve issues amicably than through swift justice. I don’t consider myself a liberal however I am sure you & other do I consider myself a realist & deal in the realm of reality. And reality seems to be something many Republican Rightwing Conservatives here are seriously out-of-touch with!

I guess I need to take a few hours & make a list of the GW flaws so that maybe some of you can see what you may be missing.
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[Cody]

<I>black orginally posted by <b>FCPWLLC</b></I>
I really have no personal feelings about "Bush" per se. However, as a business owner, I do prefer the ideas of the Republican party when it comes to taxation and incentives for businesses.


If there were no balance of Repulicans and Democrats, and Democrats had it their way, we would be taxed more and we would be paying even more for the lazy and uneducated to sit on butts drawing a check.

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 But! The republican party is more of a big business friend than a small business friend. Proof of this is in the form of out-sourcing, in-sourcing & a disproportional trade deficit. As a service provider you aren’t affected like product manufactures are by the trade tariffs. Many smaller manufactures almost have to outsource in order to compete & the larger manufactures, because of product branding, no longer have to outsource in-order to still make huge profits but they still must to maintain stock prices. You will feel it eventually by competitors in-sourcing labor. Just saw a crew of about 8 Mexicans washing trucks a couple days ago. That trucks payroll is probably close to the same as your 2 man trucks payrol! That’s the republican way. It’s the big businesses that are trying to maintain the immigrant workforce to keep labor rates down across the board. In addition this is why you can get any decent help, it’s because you can pay a competitive wage. It would also get some of the “lazy†off their butts because there would be more employer's vying for their services thus increasing wages, benefits & possibly additional incentives.
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We provide jobs and services to our communities. We deserve the tax incentives we enjoy at the end of the year. Democrats feel that just because we make a little more money, that we should carry more burden in taxes.
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 Unless you’re making mad money you’re not enjoying the tax benefits the Republican party has generated in this administration. Those tax cuts have been for the Superrich! Sure I'm putting an extra couple thousand in my pocket but I'd rather pay that in & keep in the system the $5Million that Britney Spears saved via the tax break. I'd rather see a tax break for the poor. One where the guy making Min wage doesn't have to pay in a dime. At $11k a year, & usually follow by no benefits, you need every penny!
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War aside, things aren't that bad. Sure, we don't like to see our friends and family dying, but those soldiers are heroes and provide us with a freedom to be Business owners and be independent. Hire them and give them a job when they come home.
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 It’s sad & a little disturbing that you see the soldiers dying as [ Heroes who provide us with freedom ]. Because we are absolutely no free’r than we were before all this happened. Perhaps we are less free because of it. Iriqi Freedom is just a hole to throw human lives & money by the truck load into!
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As for GW Bush, there will be another President that we will find "problems" with soon and another one after that one.
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 Maybe, but hopefully never again this bad. If this guy were Born George Banks what do you figure the odds would be he’d have been elected a Governor & President? –Missing time in national guard, -2,3,4?? Failed companies, Drunkard! The list goes on…………..