So.. Do you still Love GW Bush?

grasshawg

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How many terror attacks do you think have been foiled that we don't even know about?
Ok, not such an eloquent speaker. But he was right when he said, "The terrorists only have to be right once. We have to be right every time."
The CIA and the FBI could not collaberate and compare notes before 9/11 due to policies put in place by your hero--Clinton. Thus, the unthinkable happened. Since then, how many times have we been attacked?

Katrina? You speak as if the guy is supposed to stand on the coast and hold back the storm with his bare hands. The only mistake he made was appointing a worm like Michael Brown as FEMA director. The rest of the mistakes were made by the people of Louisiana and the people of New Orleans. Yeah, the Texas coast wasn't hit nearly as hard by Rita, but here we are a year later, and there is almost NO evidence of a storm on the Texas coast. Have you been down there? I have. LA is STILL a cluster*$#^.

Yeah, it's on a federal level, and the administration's stamp is on everything the federal organization does, blah, blah, blah. I spent 6 years in the U. S. Army. I've seen a few Captains loose their commission and one even go to jail because of something a dumb soldier did. See the parallel? I guess common sense is a thing of the past, just like guts! I think we need to dig up General Patton's skeleton. I bet there are still a big set of coohonies attatched to it!

It's time to take this country back from the bleeding heart panty waste liberal left.
Boy, this gets me so fired up. I think I want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV up to Alaska and club a few baby seals. Maybe stop by and see Mark to see if he wants to help me cut down a couple of redwoods. Then we'll drink beer, and throw away the cans-----and NOT recycle!
I'm bored now.
 

Cody

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grasshawg said:
How many terror attacks do you think have been foiled that we don't even know about?
Ok, not such an eloquent speaker. But he was right when he said, "The terrorists only have to be right once. We have to be right every time."
The CIA and the FBI could not collaberate and compare notes before 9/11 due to policies put in place by your hero--Clinton. Thus, the unthinkable happened. Since then, how many times have we been attacked?

Katrina? You speak as if the guy is supposed to stand on the coast and hold back the storm with his bare hands. The only mistake he made was appointing a worm like Michael Brown as FEMA director. The rest of the mistakes were made by the people of Louisiana and the people of New Orleans. Yeah, the Texas coast wasn't hit nearly as hard by Rita, but here we are a year later, and there is almost NO evidence of a storm on the Texas coast. Have you been down there? I have. LA is STILL a cluster*$#^.

Yeah, it's on a federal level, and the administration's stamp is on everything the federal organization does, blah, blah, blah. I spent 6 years in the U. S. Army. I've seen a few Captains loose their commission and one even go to jail because of something a dumb soldier did. See the parallel? I guess common sense is a thing of the past, just like guts! I think we need to dig up General Patton's skeleton. I bet there are still a big set of coohonies attatched to it!

It's time to take this country back from the bleeding heart panty waste liberal left.
Boy, this gets me so fired up. I think I want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV up to Alaska and club a few baby seals. Maybe stop by and see Mark to see if he wants to help me cut down a couple of redwoods. Then we'll drink beer, and throw away the cans-----and NOT recycle!
I'm bored now.

<font color=e87400>Wow, You are just SO RIGHT, I mean, man.. It's not like Clinton TOLD BUSH TO WATCH OUT FOR AL QUEDA. It's not like Bush IGNORED A PDB report titled "AL QUEDA DETERMINED TO STRIKE US TARGETS" so he could go back to chopping wood for another 20+ days! It's not like the Gov't KNEW that AL QUEDA had plans of using 747's as missles.
Yep, you sure are right it's all Clintons fault.

NONE OF THAT REALLY MATTERS. I don’t think anyone could have done anything with regards to a terrorist attack at that time nor do I think they could stop one now. I don’t think there’s been a such serious attempt since because if there had been, it would have succeeded. I think Bin Laden is just kicked back enjoying his little victory. This is what he wanted. What did he say in his first speech after 911. <I>“America will never taste security and safety unless we feel security and safety in our land and in Palestineâ€</I> This has been accomplished.

Your communication between the agencies is a joke. This was proven by Katrina, & is being proven by the current Immigration crisis. And is further realized in recognition of the prisoner rights violations. Homeland security is a joke & a really really bad joke at that. It’s done far more to violate our freedoms than to protect them.

As for your final note, Grow up &/or Educate yourself because all that rhetoric does is make you look immature, foolish & uneducated. You'd fair far better to just sit there, keep to yourself & read something besides Double D Cindy's profile for a while.

I don’t like Bush. I think he was the wrong choice. Not because of the act of 9/11. I don’t blame Bush for all that is wrong either. The problems we currently face as a nation are the result of a combined effort to screw things up by all parties. Bush gets more of the blame because his administration is the head of it all & has definitely contributed to the downward spiral of the country. His characture flaws are MANY and I don't believe his agenda is aligned to what's best for America. Where others are to blame is in their lack of action to control the crisis's at hand.</font>
 

grasshawg

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Oh, Cody, I figured my post would get you out from under your rock. I can almost see the spit dripping from your angry liberal lips as you struggle to find a coherent point.
Still didn't work.
Have a nice day. I won't debate with someone who engages in personal attacks.
Randy
 

Asbestos

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I am Way left of fox news. fox is strictly a neo-conservative issue. they think borrowing huge sums of money to finance whatever gov't program is alright if it benefits big business (recent vote on timber sales in Alaska would have saved several hundred jobs at a cost to taxpayers of around 130,000 per job. voted down.) I am a fiscal conservative also, the nation debt horrifies me. we do need to build and maintain a civic structure Roads, schools etc. What gets me is some of these so-called conservatives are just cheapskates. They want everyone else to pay for things. they want the benefits and oportunities of an orderly society, but do not want to contribute. People often look to the 1950's as sort of an american ideal. Reagan was big on this. One thing that is differnt between the neo-conservatives and those of the 1950's is the civic-mindedness that was a virtue then, but non existant today. instead of pulling together and trying to build this country, their only cry is 'lower my taxes' Then they want to know how they can get the next big government contract.
 

Asbestos

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grasshawg said:
It's time to take this country back from the bleeding heart panty waste liberal left.
I am tired of pantywaist consevatives allowing all their freedom to be taken away because "we might be attacked". Boo-hoo Freedom is not for the timid. All those people died for freedom, not so we could run around letting the Gov't do whatever they want because we are too scared of terrorists.
If you want to be safe reduce the national speed limit to 50 and have a federal DUI law with a .05 BAL and a 1year min jail term. THAT would save more lives every year then were lost on 9/11.
"those who would sacrifice liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"
 

grasshawg

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Asbestos, although I don't quite understand where you're coming from on that last post, I'm with you, brother on the freedom issue.
I served my country and did it with pride. Although I didn't see combat, I stood ready to go at a moments notice so anyone, Liberal, Conservative or whatever could have the right to say whatever they wish. Yeah, even the right to call me names.
Don't put me into your imaginary group. In fact, I'm more Liberatarian than anything. I want the government to butt the hell out of our personal lives and stick to the business of protecting the citizens, and our sovereignty (sp?) as a nation. Period.

Cody: If you think for one second I was serious about that last part, you need more help than me and a few others on a bb that are smarter than you can give. Lighten up, dude. See what the evil of Liberalism creates? Another bitter, unhappy soul who can't take a break from his miserable existence to enjoy a little lighthearted humor.
This will be the last time I respond to you. At least those who don't share my opinions respect diversity. BTW, isn't that what you Liberals are all about? Diversity?
Take care, man.
Randy
 

grasshawg

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MBryan said:
A couple of you guys need to get laid :)
LOL!!!! Best statement so far is this entire thread. Yeah, Matt. I'm including myself.
Sorry. I'll tune it down from now on.
Randy
 
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Cody

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Grasshawg: I’m sorry you feel offended, but not very. I know in your statement re the seals, redwood, beer & general nastiness that you weren’t being literal, however I do believe you were serious. Your intent was to gain favor from one side of the discussion by your witty humor, haha grasshawg is a funny guy, & to ridicule the other, just as you have in several other post. Every time you make mention of “liberals†it wreaks with disdain.

The comment I directed back to you was not “calling you names†it was merely constructive criticism, a suggestion you integrate some new “useful†information into your gray-matter database to help you avoid such misinterpretations in the future. Sure there was a smidgen of contempt on it on my part but hey, I’m only human. You’ve made several disparaging remarks towards liberals. You’ve obviously mis-labeled me as a liberal, thus you are making disparaging remarks towards me every time you cry “liberalâ€. Now after all the liberal jibes & negative innuendoes “you’ve†made, you’re going to throw a tiff about me telling you to read a paper? That’s actually pretty funny. Thought you had “stonesâ€.

In your statements in this thread you seem pretty confused about who you are. As I pointed out above, you’ve make several disparaging remarks aimed towards liberals yet in a post above you state “Don’t put me in your imaginary group†& then describe yourself as being “more libertarianâ€. Now, someone like myself, who’s “not as smart†as you guys, can only sit back & say WOW To a statement like that! You say you are liberal, but you hammer on libs at every turn. To be nice, I will help you, YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL. There, you can sleep easier.

You make mention that I must be sitting here in rage about the post I responded to. Nope, frustrated-sorrow would be an appropriate description of my emotions in that post. Frustrated that at this point in the term of this administration with all the evidence that is out there, there are still people that don’t &/or won’t see what is happening &/or know what is happening but simply won’t admit to it, even to themselves. It’s frustrating to see & saddens me deeply, & I’m a hard case to sadden –much less deeply! I suppose I’ve gotten soft since having a child a few years ago & now the thought of innocent children getting killed, especially for no legitimate reason, just absolutely disgust me to no end. People are dying daily because of a lie, pure & simple, we should not be in Iraq! I won’t even bother to give you the ole, “How many terrorist are we creating there now†speech. To further ram home the ramifications of the killing of Iraqi innocents

Anyway. There ya go, My unwanted perspective in a nutshell. If you want to refute my previous points then do so, don’t just say “evil Liberals did it†because that’s not an argument, that’s just rhetorical nonsense. Seems this is what you like to blame when your perspective is proven to be skewed.

Back to the Topic of the thread. I still haven’t seen anyone really give any judgment swaying input on why they support this administration. I recall our conversations in 2004. The 2 big issues people supported their Bush vote on were WMD’s & Gay Marriage. Well here we are 2 years later & still no WMD’s. There is however a few public statements regarding bad intel & lack of proof supported intel regarding WMD’s. As for gay marriage, also flown under the flag of Family Values, well not much has really happened on that front. The Pub’s didn’t save the America from the gays yet. Does seem though that Republicans feel Family Values (aka anti Gay Marriage) is going to be a good issue to trudge up again for the November elections. I guess that Iraq & Gay Marriage have something in common, their both things the future administrations can figure out how to deal with!

Cody

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grasshawg

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describe yourself as being “more libertarianâ€￾. Now, someone like myself, who’s “not as smartâ€￾ as you guys, can only sit back & say WOW To a statement like that! You say you are liberal, but you hammer on libs at every turn. To be nice, I will help you, YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL. There, you can sleep easier.

Those are your words, right?

Ok I said I wouldn't, but just to clear one thing up, there is a difference between liberal and liberatarian. Look it up. I am not a civics teacher.
And just like last time, I am really bored with this. I just don't have the stamina to keep up such an inane conversation.
We could go over this 100 times and never change anything, or anyone. it's pointless, and I have lost interest. I have better things to do. Please, dude. Give it a rest.
Randy
 
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PressurePros

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Just got done reading Lance Winslow's "think tank" website and that was even more hot air than this whole thread, though not by much. Some people love to here themselves speak, or I suppose more aptly, read what they type. I'm probably guilty of this too.

Political discussions are always heated and rarely end up in more than personal insult slinging. My question is, what purpose does it serve other than to gain allegiance or fuel ego? So this one hates Bush, this one hates liberals, and many read through the diatribes with a yawn of disinterest. Meanwhile the wheels continue to grind. Few changes are ever affected.

My ex father-in-law is a fairly well known political influence. What should breed real contempt is not what you think of another's opinion on current administration but what you would see of blatant corruption, self servient aggrandization and agendas that would blow your mind had you the opportunity to see behind the scenes.

What do we do? Spread the word? You can see how effective words are in political arenas or discussions .. nothing changes .. start petitions? .. Run for office?

I give.. what is the solution?
 

MBryan

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This post needs some lightening up:


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Jon Fife

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...I think MattBryan posted it on PWI. Not only was in on a Public channel, I believe it was in the great state that you reside in, LOL. Seriously! I think I found it again on collegehumor dot com.
 

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