What do you expect the PWNA should give you for your $250.00 membership??????

David Saulque

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I agree with Ron, in that- we as a group consist of people who are small business & who depend on local, regional companies who have service and or product to sell. We must look at the regional aspects not the national. I depend on local people to service my equipment, to blend and supply chemicals, I use my local insurance company(he refers to me biz.). With local companies along with a network, why do we need PWNA other than as a social event.

The success of your biz. is up to you and your local business that you clean & service. To look at PWNA as the only answer to questions that have a local influence is asking to much and the expectations are to high. Ask yourself what am I saving when I buy insurance from the company that PWNA recomend? Apples to Apples not much if any. The local guy can help you gain accounts & the trade and good will stay local.

David

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Ron Musgraves

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Ok, time to move on with out the pwna’s direct support. We can form and alliance that can meet and have seminars and also invite vendors that want to help pay the bills.

When can we have a meeting and where will we meet? California, Nevada, Arizona or some other state. First meeting should be to form a structure of the direction that we need to take the organization. Short term and long term goals can be established along some sort of leadership with guidance.


So when and where? What would be a good time of year? Would Vegas be a cheap place to hold the first meeting? It could also serve as a mini vacation for some.

How about October would that be a good month? I will check the dates. Keep in mind no one that wants to be involved from other areas excluded. We can take impute from anyone at this point. All are welcome to come as well. Just remember the focus will only be predominantly the southwest region. All are welcome. If the few of us can learn a little from each other directly than it will be worth it.


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Jon

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Ron,

First one thing needs to be checked out, I know it is not nice but let's not have this concide with the PWNA fall convention or it might not happen.

Now a suggestion worth looking into, mostly from the big guys here, David too! Even if some of these local suppliers such as Hydro Tek are members of PWNA do you feel there might be a good chance to get them to also support a new organization?

How about other West Coast suppliers, for that matter why not shoot for any and all suppliers across the nation, the more support the better chance of this taking off.

Las Vegas is fine for a lot of us, but those in Texas might find it a bit far, AZ is ok too, that way Scott will attend
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I honestly feel if the word can get out to all those pressure washers that are not members or any group, do not scribsribe to any magazine and/or like to keep to themself do to the fact they do not know about bigger things, we need to find them and bring them into the fold.

Sure some won't want to join or be involved, to those I say do your thing as we grow in buying power and other ways.

In order to get a good price on rooms wherever it is held we will need firm reservations from people, if everyone says I will attend then they must pay in advance like any other convention, to not do this means all will pay much more for rooms etc.

Ok guys, if you are willing then let's get this going, we need to pick a date and place so Ron can verify that those times are open for us.

Ron does not AZ have golf things going at that time of year?

Tombstone might be a good place, then we can have our annual PW shoot out!!

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Ron Musgraves

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Hey Jon lets not go over board,

We are only going to meet to see if this thing could become a reality. Any gain from this first meeting will not exist, other than finding out those who are really serious about putting something together.

You said One thing I agree with, we need other avenues in letting others know about this start up.

When we meet this first time it will only to sit face to Face with others that have the same ambitions to start and organization and maybe decide what direction and whom will head it.


I’m positive that I’m not the right person to have at the head. I know I’m too opinionated and someone that would be less radical would fit the leadership position. I know theirs a place for me in leadership but not at the top. My ideas are unorthodox and most do not understand them. We need someone with fundamentals and 1,2,3 steps. I tend to go 1,2,9 and forget about all the important stuff between.

Remember Jon I’m requesting to meet with those whom would like to lead and organize a group to better our local situations and better our selves as business people. I’m not looking to for vendor until we a have a refined plan and a mission statement written.


All People interested contact by mail and telephone. Big or small contractors, it doesn’t matter. Like I said it will be local and everyone is welcome.


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Jon

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"You said One thing I agree with, we need other avenues in letting others know about this start up."

<FONT COLOR="Teal">The above quote from Ron is pretty easy to do providing all are willing to do this. </FONT c>

<FONT COLOR="Brown">Call all your competitors that are listed in the phone book and tell them about this meeting and invite them. Next every time you see one driving by or working a job stop and talk to them, again briefly explain what we are plaining and invite them. All this once we set a date and place for this meeting.</FONT c>

I have met many of my competitors and have their cards, I do not get together with them but I have my own reasons for that. Simply put since I go after all the business for flat work some might be theirs and I would rather not know before hand whom their customers are.



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Dan S

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maybe im just not getting it but you guys most have a pile of money,,,,,,,,,,,,,


1&gt; why on earth would any of you go to this extreme to do this?

2&gt; to educate?

3&gt; why would you want to travel around the world rather it be once a year or 3 times a year to meet w/ a bunch of fellow p/wer guys/gals.?

4&gt; i would rather take a vacation with my family and forget about business.

5&gt; i dont need a "program" to better my business.....do you?

i dont&gt;wont&gt;ever&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; say that this is a bad idea
i just dont see that any thing about a "program"//--pressure washer group......could benifit me......

i know Ron M&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. you are shakin your head but look at it this way .....................

SO MUCH FOR YOUR FOLLOWER IDEA......BECAUSE IM NOT THERE.......

BUT I RECKON I SHOULD SINCE IM A "FOLLOWER"....

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Ron Musgraves

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Dan S.,

I will try to answer your questions, quite frankly I don’t real know why? Why do you come to this bb? Are you not here helping others?

Question number 1. I would educate anyone, you can call many of my competitors than have lasted and ask them. When they call me up I give them the straight and honest answer. I enjoy meeting others in my field; I enjoy the camaraderie of knowing that others in this business have goals and desires.

Number 2. That’s what we are all doing here&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;………..aren’t we???????????

Number 3. Guess you would need to be in my shoes.

Number 4. I doing it so I can take more vacation!!!!!!!!!!!!

Number 5. Yes I do need it and I can see the potential that it could have on my business and the entire industry.

Dan S remember that your welcome but your right for you to travel this distance would be a little silly.

No Dan I’m not shaking my head, because tomorrow you might change your color— whoop’s I mean mind.


To everyone,


I simply will not answer any negative remarks, if you have questions that retain merit I will be happy to answer. Simply understand this will happen whether you or anyone else wants it to. And if you would like to be in on the ground floor then come on. We are going to set a date in the next month and it will either happen or it won’t. We need a group doing more than what’s happening now. This bb gives wonderful support and can be a foundation for all to learn and share ideas. Sometimes face to face is better. This way we can see the stripes on your back.


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Dan S

New Member
alot of good point's there Ron.......
im not trying to be negative here just looking for answers..........

yes i come here to learn and give advice" for what it is worth"
i just cant seem to get it out of my head to travel around to educate.......
and by all means the people who do it i will not cut "em down..
my hat goes off to ya..........
have a great day .......

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Cody

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Originally posted by Jon:
I have met many of my competitors and have their cards, I do not get together with them but I have my own reasons for that. Simply put since I go after all the business for flat work some might be theirs and I would rather not know before hand whom their customers are.

<FONT size="15"><center><FONT COLOR="e87400">BINGO!!</FONT s></center></FONT c>

<FONT COLOR="e87400">This is half of my point to why such a thing is a bad idea, how will this really affect your business. Your going to call up all your local competitors and get buddy buddy with them then your goning to get them into "your" org. then your going to train them the "right" way to compete against you. To make it worse by now knowing each other you'll set boundries that you'll eventually cross thus creating ill will toward each other. Man,,,I see DOOM in your future. Not only will it cost you from that aspect it will also take away your time from your own business if you. What's your time worth! Not really trying to snyop you here just stating a fact.

But hey go for it. It's your markets & businesses that will feel the effect not mine!


Cody</FONT c>



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Ron Musgraves

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Cody, I will train guys in your market properly to compete with you. That’s why you don’t tell anyone where you are, your afraid of the guys competing. That’s OK you should be. Training someone a hundred miles from you is OK.


Cody large and small companies share idea everyday. You have used Microsoft, apple and IBM as examples. Cody these companies are giants because they shared inf., yes one has exceeded over the others. Yes it will happen here and if you’re not one of the company’s maybe you will never have the chance to develop and learn about new things and share ideas with others. Not only do you learn from listening but you also learn from teaching.

as far as jon statement about the way he feels that’s because he does not know them. when you learn the value of a friend ship and you know your competitors things can be different. I know many of my competitors. do I like them all noooooooooooo, are some of them my best friends yesssssssssssssss. do we bid against each other yes, we established a professional code of ethics. I know many people in today’s world don’t have any ethics. This is where your nature of distrust stems from. It’s sad that you cannot trust people and that your fear for loosing your business is such. I have given my competitors jobs and have received jobs from them. Just this last weekend I had a friend that does the same type of work I do give me a cleaning job worth about $700.00 the week prior I gave him a job worth $1740.00. He will pay me my residual income and I will pay him his. it will not be my last transaction with him and I hope many will follow. Scott stone has called me to even to handle something that he could not get too. If I run across any fleets I will send them to him.


people that don’t trust people are people usually not to be trusted.


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Walt Graner

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I for one would like to help out. Just let me know how, what etc..



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Cody

New Member
Originally posted by Ron Marshal:
Cody...............
people that don’t trust people are people usually not to be trusted.

<FONT COLOR="e87400">Hmmm,,, so one minute you say we should all be professional to each other and the next minute you take a cheap shot at me,,,,

Cody</FONT c>



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Ron Musgraves

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It’s was a general statement, do you have a guilty conscious?


That was a cheap shot, come on Cody don’t take things so personal.


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Clean County

New Member
Ron,
I couldn't agree with you more. Cody's mind is closed to this idea and hey he is entitled to his opinion.
A couple of years ago I would have sided with Cody on this one untill a friend of mine enlightened me on this exact subject. My friend owns a pool business where he puts in built in pools and also has a weekly cleaning service of pools in which he has about 200 customers along with 500+ openings/closings. This year his company is projected to make over $800,000 and next year possibly a cool million. The point I'm getting at is he made good friends with other owners of pool companies and they go to each other's houses for dinners to discuss business and to share some ideas. They even throw business to each other if they can. Since he's been doing this his business has really exploded. He's gotten so many idea's from these pow wows that may have taken longer for him to figure out on his own. He also got the confidence up to expand his business because of talking to these guys.
When he first told me about this I was like Cody in my responses. I was asking questions like what if I steal some of these guys business how would they react etc.etc. and his response was you keep everything professional and if you happen to get some of there business thats the way it is as long as you don't get it by dirty tactics. Also when you have get togethers with other guys in your field you want to make your business more professional in its appearance, work etc. it gives you added insentive to do so. The end results is nothing but satisfaction across the board for every member that does this.
That is why the Microsofts, the Ibm's, Cisco etc are where they are today because of the competion plus the sharing of knowledge to a certain extent and to giving each other business which means $$$$$$
If anyone wants to get big in this business and doesn't see this than they have to tread the waters on there own and there is alot of sharks out there for you to fend off without no added knowledge and friends in the field to help out.-John-

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Jim&Shirley

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We give 2-thumps up to this idea.
we think it will benfit us and our industry and our competitors.
as for others here in our city were glad to know other
here and meet and talk to them, one is a very good friend now!! he helped with some of our accounts, when we had our accident,otherwise we could of lost them to someone else,he does hoods and we recomend him to others we carry his business cards to hand-out.
we saw our compition broke down on the road,offered assitance, and let him use our cell ph.and our supplier
is in the business, he refers customers to us for work they do-not do.there's members on this board that are from here and around here,we dont feel threated at all.
and post here have even mentioned prices when asked to make a point prices and where we do some jobs.

are we foolish or stupid, we dont think so.
were honest and hard working like most here and do this full time year around and we have a good sound Reputation and our work speaks for it self and our customers know this, were the best we can be,even if we under-estimate a Job THEY GET THE SAME QUALITY.
We are intrested in a New Orginization that will listen
and take advice from its Members,and know its Members have a Vote that really Counts.
Such as P.W.A.T.W. PRESSUREWASHERS AROUND THE WORLD

Just Our Thoughts and opions,dont mean to offend ayone.


JIM & SHIRLEY




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Jackrabbit

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Hi all,

Share and share alike. What goes around comes back around. Share good-will or ill-will and expect the same in return. If I'm in trouble, like J&S were, I'd more have a competitor helping than cutting my throat when I was down. I agree with Ron and J&S, fear not the competition they're what will make you strong.

JRabbit
 

Ron Musgraves

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Its really wonderful to hear other positive experiences from folks that has had good things happen. I hope this can stay a positive thing and let see if it can really happen now. No more talking lets get the show on the road. Start building things and making a network of contractors.


Just a thought, maybe someone from the other part of the country would like to jump start something different they’re at the same time? We have set a goal right now to stick with the southwest and get it started because it will benefit us most. That’s not to say someone their couldn’t take the reins and fly. just to much for us to accomplish right now I wish we could. Where not going to restrict those who will want to help and those others that will want to travel. I hope that one day we can offer this nation wide. I think we have decided that right now its would be too difficult and too costly.


Thanks for your ideas and positive support we need it. I think most are confused and don’t really understand the value because dealing with people can be awkward. I tend to be more trust worthy and positive about people. I didn’t believe it would happen , but I do now!!!!!!!!!!!


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Scott Stone

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Okay, time to wade in with my ramblings. In the Phoenix market there are competitors that many do not even have to worry about. Especially for fleetwashing.
We have Fleetwash, that will target the national companies and get a national contract with them.
We have the Carwashguys who will take a guy that was a stockbroker this week, take $60,000+ from him and make him a professional with thirty years of experience next week.
We have other companies with the same mentality ( I am going to own the world) that will bid on a company such as Fedex and charge $.99 a vehicle, not wash 2/3's to 3/4's of them and charge for all of them.
The one of the three that I actually fear is the last one. The reason is that he views Fleetwashing as a shady business and so he runs it like one. Every account he has he builds room into it to steal something fromthe customer, and ends up making more money than anyone else. Of course, it took him a while to do it, he had to get over three business bankruptcies in the last ten years first.
Now imagine leveling the playing field. Fleetwash, Carwashguys, and their ilk are always going to be there. Maybe not the actual company, but something similar. The last guy is also going to be there all of the time in different forms. If we could set up a training program, and charge a nominal fee, somewhat like Hydrotech does for flatwork, would it work? If we could set up a local or regional organization that actually had a positive reputation with Property managers, Fleet managers, C-Store owners, and restaurants, would it work?
I think that it would. Here is why. In almost every industry there is a trade organization. The tow truck drivers in Arizona have a trade organization that deals with local issues. The Sand and Gravel industry has a huge trade organization that does political lobbying, etc. The Lawyers have the Bar association, Doctors have the AMA. Unfortunately, pressure washing does not have the same professional staus that many of these others do. That is why it is easy pickings for a national organization to come in with a high buck salesman and a couple of Illegal aliens and just start knocking on doors. That is also why it was so easy for so many of us to get in the business. We need to take it to the next level, and develop our professionalism so that companies will seek us out, because we belong to XYZ trade organization.
What this would mean to us is spending money. A lot of it so that we would adhere to the minimum standards set up by the organization.
Let me outline what some of the minimum standards would have to be in order to make it work and develop our businesses.
1. Everyone would have to have a viable means of waste water recovery. In this area we could all help each other out. Face it, it is heading at us like a freight train and if you are not prepared you are going to look like a deer in the headlights when it hits you
2. A realistic training program, with continued training. It ouwld have to be set up in a module system with certain areas of specialty i.e. Fleetwashing, Flatwork, Residential, Vent hoods, Industrial, etc.
3. A discount insurance program administered through the organization. This would include, but not be limited to, Corporate liability, Life, Health, Auto etc.
4. As the organization grew we could include a referral program. This would include a referral fee of 5-10% of any referred jobs that would have to go through the organization. If the organization referred the job it would keep at least 10% to fund itself.
5. Local monthly breakfast meetings that would allow the members of the organization the chance to Network, trade ideas and receive ongoing training.
6. Getting local discounts for equipment and supplies.
7. An organization that is run by contractors for contractors. Out of all of these, this would probably be the hardest to implement. Who would have time to run it? the guy's with the most business experience would be the ones that you would want running it, yet they are also the busiest.

Now would any of this be easy to do?
1. Waste water recovery would be easy because eventually you will have to do it anyway.
2. Certification programs can be easy or hard. It depends on whether you have someone that knows how to teach and verbalize what needs to be done. A boring or bad teacher could torpedo the whole program.
3. Insurance I think would be a piece of cake. I am pretty sure that my insurance agent could handle it no problem. Ron uses the same people, so he could probably verify it.
4. The referral program would depend a lot on contractor honesty and would probably be the biggest problem with the organization.
5. Breakfast meetings, piece of cake.
6. Here the prices on equipment are so sky high, that the discount program would probably hard to implement. If you could get one distributor to buy in, it would be a lot easier.
7. Running the thing could be a nightmare. It would have to be someone that is totally trustworthy and has the time to do it. He is also going to be the lightening rod for any complaints that come up and anything that goes wrong in the organization. All this and little or no money. What a deal.

So these are my miscellaneous ramblings. I do think that it could be done. And, yes Ron, there is the potential for a whole lot more.

Scott

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Ron Musgraves

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Its really wonderful to hear other positive experiences from folks that has had good things happen. I hope this can stay a positive thing and let see if it can really happen now. No more talking lets get the show on the road. Start building things and making a network of contractors.


Just a thought, maybe someone from the other part of the country would like to jump start something different they’re at the same time? We have set a goal right now to stick with the southwest and get it started because it will benefit us most. That’s not to say someone their couldn’t take the reins and fly. just to much for us to accomplish right now I wish we could. Where not going to restrict those who will want to help and those others that will want to travel. I hope that one day we can offer this nation wide. I think we have decided that right now its would be too difficult and too costly.


Thanks for your ideas and positive support we need it. I think most are confused and don’t really understand the value because dealing with people can be awkward. I tend to be more trust worthy and positive about people. I didn’t believe it would happen , but I do now!!!!!!!!!!!


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JRabbit do you want to help? shoot me your e-mail.

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