Do we really need a Organization ? (poll)

Do You really need an organization to help your business.

  • YES

    Votes: 37 42.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 33 37.5%
  • I can make just as much $ without it

    Votes: 17 19.3%
  • I can't make any money without it

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    88

onecallpowerw

New Member
And.................

Some Lead and Some Follow. It is up to you which one you want to be. Through the grapevine....there is another organization that will be starting up soon. It will be strickly an organization for the Pressure Wash Industry that is backed nationally and supported by the Plumbing and Pipefittings Union.

I will say no more than that for now. But it will blow your socks off......
 

johnny

New Member
Plumbers & steamfitters sounds like labor union as in the head busting afl-cio. Unions are good deals for the workers, not the owners, if you think back on your history of labor in America.
 
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onecallpowerw

New Member
Enough for now.....

Blow your socks off might have been a little much but if your looking to possibly have a Pressure Washing Union, you are almost there. Again, this is through the grapevine and as far as I know, no one that is a current board member or distributor on the P*N* is a part of this getting rolling.

Benefits will be part of the whole structure which will be covered within the dues. I do know that the dues will be monthly vs. yearly but again, Items such as health and business insurance will be covered and of course the dues will substantially be more than the P*N* but well worth it if you consider what we all are paying now for both.
 

johnny

New Member
That is very disturbing info even if it is thru the grapevine. It conjures up all kinds of bad pictures. Keep in mind the labor union movement was started to protect the worker from unjust labor practices: low wages, long hours and unsafe working conditions - not the employer/business owner. Heavy handed tactics, irresponsible rules and loss of final control of your own destiny is what the company owners face. Whoever is teaming up with the pipfitters and plumbers is in bed with "the man". Most people who go into this business do so to escape from "the man". Talk about self-distructive tendensies. Discourage them if you can.
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
johnny said:
Dear Celeste,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are a new power wash business owner/operator. Being new (we've all been there), so many unnecessary things become important to you. The more experience you gain the more you realize that things you thought necessary really aren't. You learn efficiency and focus through repetition and trial and error.

Being a member of an organization will not make you a success. Dan S and others of us have been in business for years without seeming to need the power washer organization. It works for him and others not being a member. We are successful in spite of it, you might say.

The association does not have as good a track record of success as Dan and others have. New members join and are hot for it and then their companies suddenly vaporize, they are no more. I have read it time and again. Go back to the beginning of this board and wonder where are they now.

None of us is so naive to think the association can represent us, or keep our interest for more than the time it takes to read and write on these bulletin boards. $ucce$$ful businesses focus on what we do best and leave the memberships to those with more time on their hands than work!

I will exit stage left with Dan S and those other 64.

Johnny,

I don't think our inexperience or longevity in business has anything to do with whether members of an INDUSTRY feel the need for an organization to represent our collective interests. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this thread specifically means the PWNA....I believe the poll was if one felt as if an organization could benefit the business.

Yes, we are members of PWNA, we are members of our local Homebuilders Association. Do I push the PWNA as far as soliciting new members, not really. Am I going to use my affiliation as a tool for my "new" business - absolutely. We have gotten jobs because our affiliations have lended credibility to our business. WE know that it hasn't given us any further knowledge than going to kindergarten, but it has opened doors that have let us use the experience we've gained through working.

I have tried not to imply that any organization is for everyone - my favorite analogy is to look at any affiliation as a tool. Some will buy a tool and use it for what they bought it for because it works for them. Some buy it and aren't happy with it so they don't use it. Some buy it, think it needs some extra work and try to take it apart and fix it.

I only believe an organization is a tool for building your business - IF you feel you need it. The only point I was trying to make in my earlier post was that, if you've never used the tool, how can you judge how it will work for you? If you're successful without it - that's wonderful, congratulations and more power to you for doing it.

As far as having more time on my hands than work....using the bbs, participating in organizations, networking, advertising.....is my part of the work. I personally do not care for the getting wet, muddy, cold, stinky and all of the other lovely adjectives that go along with playing with the big squirtgun!

I'm not trying to be confrontational in any way - I'm only trying to point out that there are other views - not one is always right.

Celeste
 

onecallpowerw

New Member
Grapevine

Yes, if your company is big enough to have 5 or more employees, it could eventually hurt you. But.....And this is a biggie for me, Employers can also be counted as employee if you are an s corp. This was a small 1-5 man operation can also join. Again, before anyone gets too bent out of shape, this is through the grapevine. And we all know how that goes. I am surprised that more have not chimed in. I am sure, I am not the only one that has heard about this......
 

johnny

New Member
don't think our inexperience or longevity in business has anything to do with whether members of an INDUSTRY feel the need for an organization to represent our collective interests. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this thread specifically means the PWNA.


I believe the original gist of this thread was pwna, this grew out of the other thread re: the association.

Re: the inexperience comment, it's historically the new comers who enter a business wearing rose colored glasses and dreams of changing the way things are done. It's human nature. We all did it.

Do you have any info about the pipefitters and plumbers association?
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
Beth resigned her position with the PWNA for health reasons. The Grime Scene bbs is going strong. She and I are in the throes of heading up a new e-magazine "Got Dirt"......a mag by contractors for contractors, which will also double as a non-profit fund raising type deal. Money generated by the magazine will be put back to work in the industry by means of financial support to subscribers. Details have not been completed on that yet. We've had some VERY positive feedback on the magazine and are still looking for contributors for articles, experiences, pictures, tips, etc... If you are interested in helping out, please give me a call (336) 516-6356

Celeste
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
This is the first I've heard about anything having to do with pipes and plumbing and power washing all in the same breath :)

Johnny, I took no personal offense (not that I think you even intended it to be) to the inexperience statements. I KNOW we are inexperienced in this business, however I am not inexperienced in building and promoting businesses.

Frankly, I am only interested in the PWNA for what it can do for my credibility as a new business at this time. There is a desire in my state for a local chapter so the networking will become invaluable. If I can, however, help somewhere to possibly make this industry more "acceptable" as a profession, hey, I'll help. Everyone got information, tips, etc... from somewhere. The business has evolved over the years - that much I have gotten from reading bbs. The PWNA keeps being put up there as the organization that hasn't gotten this or that done - 'cause they're the only one! Same as kitchen hood guys with IKECA - has that helped anyone? Hurt them?

I'm sure that at some point I will realize that I may have spun my wheels with an organization.....I've done it before - most people with voluteering experience do. From your perspective, just be glad it's me, and not you that's getting called to action :)

Celeste
 

Clean County

New Member
I am surprised that more have not chimed in. I am sure, I am not the only one that has heard about this...... Quote by Onecall

So would we know who this is that is starting this new org?? In your very next post your asking about Beth and the Grimescene..are they the ones starting a new org??
 

johnny

New Member
"From your perspective, just be glad it's me, and not you that's getting called to action " Celeste.

What's that mean?
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
johnny said:
"From your perspective, just be glad it's me, and not you that's getting called to action " Celeste.

What's that mean?

Nothing more than since you're not interested and I am that it's better that they solicit me than you....could have been better worded - I type faster than I think some times :)

Celeste
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
Clean County said:
So would we know who this is that is starting this new org?? In your very next post your asking about Beth and the Grimescene..are they the ones starting a new org??

NO - its a new e-magazine...not an organization.

Celeste
 

Beth

New Member
What did happen to Beth with Grimescene ? Anybody know ? I have not visited the PWNA Board for quite some time......

Hi Gordon,
Hope you are well. Give me a call sometime.
Beth :cool:
 

Clean County

New Member
OK Onecall you got me curious can you tell us who it is?? I am a Union guy along with being an ORG guy which to some is a strange mix but that new org your talking about sounds like a combo of both mixed in.
 

Dan S

New Member
OMG!!!!

have you ever went back to the first page and read this whole thing over?

it will make `ya giggle.

I still say peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on the PWNA
 

CaroliProWash

New Member
Maybe it's Cody starting the Power Washer Cartel (mentioned about 10 pages back) [white]


I did go back and read the whole thing....what a ride! Although Dan, I think I did see where you would have joined at one point! [spaz]

Celeste
 

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