President's Record

[Dan S]

Subject: Records
2004 Election Voter Guide

Depending on the way you lean, the following information
could have a bearing on decisions you make in November 2004.

Issues of Importance = *

* Gay Marriage:
President Bush is opposed.
John Kerry favors.

* Partial-Birth Abortion:
President Bush is opposed.
John Kerry favors.

* Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools:
President Bush Favors.
John Kerry is Opposed.

* Mel Gibson & the making of a film about Christ:
President Bush supports Gibson.
John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting
possible anti-Semitism even though Kerry had not seen the film.

* Boy Scouts' belief in God and not allowing
Homosexual Scout Leaders:
President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand.
John Kerry opposes boy Scouts' stand.

* Asking for God's blessing on America:
President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches.
John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often.

* Judges:
President bush says "We need common-sense judges who believe
our rights are derived from God."
John Kerry insists on judges who support the ACLU's radical
anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda.
John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's
federal judge appointments.

* Overall Record:
President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress
but, based on his publicly stated positions, would
receive an 85% conservative rating.

John Kerry, according to the highly respected,
politically-neutral National Journal,
rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -
- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton.

With help from you and many others, we hope to
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across the United States.

 

[OrangeCrest]

Well...

I know the first two are inaccurate, but if you really care to take the time to research it from an unbaised view you may want to log onto factcheck.org and see exactly how these canidates feel on these postions.

For the most part, Bush is very very religious and consults with religious advisors on a consistent basis, which this post supports.

This can be a good or bad thing.

Religion has brought on the bloodiest wars and is why the Mid-East is always in turmoil.

That is what makes this country so strong and stable: Seperation of Church and State.

We as a people need to upkeep the morals in this country, bringing government into the picture creates a very risky future.

 

[Mark]

Food For Thought?

<i>Below is an excerpt from an e-mail I recently received quoting George Washinton.</i>

I am one that believes God formed the United States of America for His purposes. I believe in a providential view of history. And if you study the life of our country, it is clear that God has used certain people for certain task to help our country become a great nation. A great nation that has--for the most part--championed good. We have championed causes that have been consistent with a Biblical world view. Freedom. Liberty. Fighting oppression and against those who wish to dominate those who are weaker than they through military force or terrorism. And if you had take one man who best represents God’s hand on America over our 227 year history, to me, it would have to be George Washington.

Washington -- what an incredible life this man lived!

As we look to November 2–let me remind you of what the Father of our nation said in his famous Farewell Address on September 17, 1796. Washington had served two terms and did not wish to serve a third although he could have been President as long as wished because of his immense popularity. Here is a small, but poignant, part of that address to the country.

<B>"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."</B>

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Dan..A little fixated on sex and religion are we? lol.
What is the "highly respected politically nuetral journal" you're referring to?

All of your points have the "black or white" flavor of simplistic conclusions. In the real world very few things if any are black or white.

 

[Dan S]

Dale,

I am not going to debate you or anybody else on this issue
If you dont want to read it dont
I got it as an e-mail today and thought i would share it with a few of my friends on this BB. Simple as that .

If you want to debate over right and wrong start your own thread.

you wont change my mind and I wont change yours so I will save my keys and I hope you will do the same.

have a great night!

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Oneness I can respect that. I just thoiught the topic was the presidents record and not one about right vs. wrong.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Heres some more of his record. http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=The Zero and The Hero

 

[Walt Graner]

Dan S & Mark

Right on target [hello]

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Mark. George Washington was a great man and a firm believer in Deist teachings. Even though he purchased other human beings for slaves he was kind and fair. He refused to sell any of his slaves..paid them a pension thru their lives and set them free in his will...almost unheard of compassion for a people who most others thought of as property. I think his record was one of a great man.

 

[timhays]

i personally think running a country involves way more complex issues then obviously what is presented.

two mine and your vote doesnt really matter the winner has been chosen, the voting is more of a formal politically correct process.

 

[oneness]

i personally think running a country involves way more complex issues then obviously what is presented.

two mine and your vote doesnt really matter the winner has been chosen, the voting is more of a formal politically correct process.

Tim.

The 2000 election was a wake-up call to everyone (well, apparently not everyone) who thought their vote didn't really matter...Bush won FL, and thus the national election, but 500 or so votes...What if 1000 Florida democratic voters who stayed home because they figured their vote didn't count had gone out and voted?

If the winner is chosen, who is it?

 

[Bob Gates]

Dan and Mark....

You da man!!!!

I am curious too......who won????????

 

[Clean County]

Another thought on people who think there one vote doesn't count..........Just think how many people that think like this don't vote. What that means in the big picture of things is that there will be possibly millions of votes not recorded because of that thought process. This is why EVERY VOTE counts......Just think about that for a moment

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Seeing that the thread is about records this seems interesting.

Pattern Here?

Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent toVietnamJan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69;Medal of Honor,Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat
V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52;Bronze Star,Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
campaign ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76;Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
and Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine inVietnam; Bronze
Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain inVietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb:Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII andKorea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.

Republicans
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.

* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned toAlabamaso he could campaign for family friend running
for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,
disappeared
from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
making movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over inKorea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart
and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
in NFL
for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
*ArnoldSchwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.

* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot
back.)

 

[OrangeCrest]

Now this is really scarey if true...

Dale, did you cut and paste this? if not, a lot of work went into this post...

One I noticed wasn't posted and that was Barney from the Andy Grithith (Spelling?) Show...

 

[oneness]

Why is that scary? Is a person qualified, or not qualified to be a leader because they served in the military, or didn't serve? I never served, and yet I'm just as patriotic, and care just as much about this country as anyone else, more than than some.

The common thought seems to be that if someone didn't serve, they have absolutely no right to call into question the patriotism of someone who did serve. That's just BS. I respect everyone who served this country, but that doesn't give them a free pass to do or say whatever they want for the rest of their life without being called on it. Serving in the military 20+ years ago has no real bearing in and of itself on whether a person will make a good leader.

That list was cut/pasted...It is all over the internet. Do a search for "Democrats who served in the military"

I notice that several notable Republicans who did serve were conveniently left off the list...For example, George HW Bush, Gerald Ford, Tom Ridge, Chuck Hagel, John McCain, and Bob Dole...there are others who are less noteworthy, but this whole list is yet another example of how the facts can be twisted, and selectively used, to further the cause of a particular group, whether they be on the left or the right.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

Oneness it was cut and pasted from an email I got..so what?..So was the quote from Geo. Wahington.
The only reason it seemed relevant was that so many people on the right harped about Clinton being a draft dodger.

How is a couple of ommisions (John McCain was on the list) another example of twisting the facts in favor of a particular group? If the list is accurate...its accurate. If theres a couple of ommisions theres a couple of ommisions...thats all. There were probably a couple of missed Dems too.

 

[oneness]

Oneness it was cut and pasted from an email I got..so what?..So was the quote from Geo. Wahington.
The only reason it seemed relevant was that so many people on the right harped about Clinton being a draft dodger.

How is a couple of ommisions (John McCain was on the list) another example of twisting the facts in favor of a particular group? If the list is accurate...its accurate. If theres a couple of ommisions theres a couple of ommisions...thats all. There were probably a couple of missed Dems too.

Whoah, guy....chill...I was just answering his question as far as whether it was cut and pasted or whether you spent a long time putting it together...Why so edgy?

The whole purpose of the list (not saying it was YOUR purpose, but every site I've seen it on has been pro-left, anti-right) is to make it appear as if all the democrats are patriotic, service minded folks, and all the republicans are service-dodgers...The fact that the two republican Presidents who didn't see combat during their service were mentioned (and the lack of combat was mentioned also) and the two recent Republican Presidents who DID see combat were omitted is a bit indicative of the purpose of the list.

 

[Dale Walkowsk]

LOL. Thanks..maybe you got a point..its been raining and cold and I"m way behind with catching up before the snow blows. About 50% that and 50% a feeling of.. don't ask actual questions of anything right wing or religious.

I feel that if a person has a grasp of the reasoning behind their positions or beliefs questions are just questions and not a personal attack.

 

[OrangeCrest]

Why is that scary? Is a person qualified, or not qualified to be a leader because they served in the military, or didn't serve?

Other than President Reagan, the answer would be unqualified. One needs the military bearing in order to know how to prevent war, and not be a warmonger like our current dictator/president.

The best person to have in office is a retired military general. Want peace? Put a general in office.

It takes more than being patriotic, it takes someone who has the discipline that a military officer gains through the strict routine and values the military instills into their personel, which the majority carry through life with pride.

Since Bush Jr was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and daddy influenced every step he made in life, Bush Jr does not qualify to be classified as the chosen few to be qualified under this definition of someone qualified to lead our country, and has proven it from his actions as an out of control puppet for his daddy.