What do you expect the PWNA should give you for your $250.00 membership??????

[Ron Musgraves]

<FONT size="5">What do you expect the PWNA should give you for your $250.00 membership??????

I think not a whole lot. But that’s just my opinion, I believe as a member you could make things happen. How many feel they are getting their moneys worth and how many feel cheated?


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
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[This message has been edited by Ron Marshal (edited March 05, 2001).]

 

[Cali]

You should be treated with respect as an active member of the association. Regardless of your "status" in the industry. (Newbie or experienced). You should be respected as a member, if and when you contribute to the association whether locally or nationally. Your views and input should be considered just as important as views and input from the Board of directors. You should be supported, (not necessarily financially), in major endeavors that will benefit the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. You should be informed of new laws and new interpretations that affect the industry. You should know that you have an advocate in Washington or abroad affecting the laws that either are or or not being enforced that affect you very business and livelihood, and the future of such; Whether you are in Idaho or Delaware. You should be encouraged to be active in the association, and not beaten up when you actually do.

The board of directors should be run by contractors and geared to the contractors. A position on the Board shouldn't pose the opprtunity for personal financial gain. There should not be conflicts of interest. If their own intentions will conflict with the betterment of the entire association than they should opt out of that position and pass it on to someone that will do more for the association as a whole. I believe that only contractors should hold board positions. I also believe that we should have the right to know where our money is being spent.

I believe that there should be regional directors, and if possible, regional meetings. And then, maybe ONE annual convention for the entire association. By having regional meetings, we could meeet LOCAL contractors, distributors, and manufacturers. Most people prefer to keep as much money in their local area as possible. I don't know about you, but I like to be able to go to the manufacturer of my equipment and get things done. It would also allow smaller manufacturers and distributors the opportunity to meet customers in their own areas.

I also think that a prospective member should be allowed entry to their FIRST seminar or convention at a reduced rate. Maybe a limited pass so that they can check things out just as a guest. I have done this many times with lots of associations, and because of that, when I got to look things over, and understand the association better, I have joined. Then I had full access to everything. But I was given the chance to see if this was something that was worth the money, time, etc. If it was, then I joined. If it wasn't, then I didn't feel like I wasted my money on dues that will run their course for a year, and bought me nothing in return.

I think this should all go for ANY Trade association not just the PWNA.

My two cents worth.

Kendra

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[Ron Musgraves]

I think you said a lot I could agree with just as any reasonable person would? I think, maybe not this board. Those ideas about letting them in at a reduced rate is great or maybe just for free once. The only problem you need to have good product or they will never come back. Don’t tell bigboy about letting them in for free. ha ha ha personal joke between me and bigboy kendra. I would love it if you could e-mail me your number or call mine. I smash my cell phone today so I have a temporary one you can call. 6026928891 or page me at the number below.

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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

 

[Glenn]

<FONT size="5">Ron,
Glad to hear you are joining. I think you will do well with the PWNA, as in "fit right in".
Let me know when you get all the kinks worked out as I might consider rejoining. We're all behind you, at least I think most of us are....
Glenn</FONT s>

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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."

 

[Mike Hughes]

Kendra,

I don't think I could say it any better!

The only thing I might disagree about is the manufacturers........I don't necesarily want the closest......I want the best........if they are 2500 miles away, so be it.

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Mike Hughes
Everclear
Souderton, PA

 

[Dan S]

well since ya ask &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

it dont mean NANA to me dont realy care ..dont want to join......

does that make me "bad" or "sad"?

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Washing a truck can be challenging.Every truck in a fleet may require different treatment.Adapt the washing process to the challenges that you are dealing with.

 

[Glenn]

Dan S,
I think it means you're smart.
Glenn

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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."

 

[Ron Musgraves]

On the manufacturing side I see the point of having the best. From the financial side I don’t see why everyone is trying to protect one another. If this board where to hire a shoddy sponsor everyone feels its someone’s job to protect him or her from the guys that might rip them off. We are all adults and should be able to distinguish the difference between a good supplier and a poor supplier. I think with some exceptions you would not want to turn small outfits or suppliers down that someone deems bad because they don’t like there equipment lines. If the suppliers where straightforward and honest this should be the only requirement. Lets face it all of us use and believe in different equipment. I cant stand other brands of surface cleaners yet if hydrotek where to come with and offer to support the org. and it was better than the company I use they get the contract. That’s where you would put your personal feeling aside and do what’s best for the industry.


Mikes comments perk this subject because I deal with a supplier in Chicago that has never heard of the pwna. I have heard many reasons that they don’t allow others in the door because they own delco of fortworth. I know in some respects this is true because that supplier in Chicago is a main stream player. When I mentioned the pwna he said whom? He has never heard of the organization and for as far as myself until I tuned into this bb I had never heard about them either.

I have been talking with others about starting to run some seminars of various types with or out the pwna. I think it would be nice to have local seminars on helping contractor do things right.

Many folks on the bbs think as well as the pwna this board can not offer what they offer. Personally with a few good people we can educate quite a few. Maybe we can get support from other manufactures if they think we are serious. I really would like to give the pwna a shot to help organize the first local chapter that actually operates independent from them on issues locally.


Topics,

1. Environmental laws, and compliance with in your state federal and local. (Kendra speaker)
2. Proper removal of substances and use of chemicals while cleaning flatwork. ( Ron Marshal)
3. Instructional seminars on washing fleets. (Scott Stone)
4. Marketing strategies for new pressure washers and more mature companies. ( ?????)
5. Preventive maintenance and equipment repair. ( hotwaterwizard John)
6. Business planning and goals for future directions of our companies. (??????)
7. Have a web master come in and give us a deal on setting web sites for members. (?????)
8. Safety standards and tips for improving safety use. (?????)
9. newbies struggles in the first year. ( Jon)
10. Hood cleaning- general (David S.)
11. chemicals- general (Les)
12. Dinner where everyone can socialize and talk shop or what ever.(maybe entertainment)

They’re the first two-day or three day seminar.


Sure the first one would be rough and would need some refining after we warmed up. I think it would be fun. Beside guys here are complaining they are not getting anything for the money. Here yah go fill these slots with veterans and away we go.

sure we can get that right here but all the talk about the brotherhood of actually meeting someone face to face is different and does mean more. Also no lurking around and not giving impute. a question and answer period might be nice.


If I volunteered you and your not willing to help pretend it isn’t your name. Just kidding just say so I didn’t mean to put you on the spot. Yeah I did oh well. Folks on the West Coast that might be interested call me and we can talk. People that have negative things please keep them to you. Thank you please call me so we can talk on the phone more clearly. Page me on my dime 1-800-351-9676 if you want I can talk a lot so you might want to take this advice.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

 

[Scott Stone]

Gee, Ron, You can talk a lot?? I had never noticed. I would not mind teaching a course or two. Remember that someone does not have to be a total expert in their field to teach. I know that I can learn, and often do from raw newbies. That is an advantage to employees. You teach them the way you want it done, and they ask questions that will set you to thinking about a change in a process, and everything that we do is a process.
One thing about the PWNA is that none of the distributors in our area seems to know about it. If they do they sure don't talk about it. I know that the one local distributor that I patronize from time to time knows but doesn't get involved.
As for the local chapter thing, I think that it would make it a lot easier for me to join the PWNA if there was such a thing as local chapters.
The biggest thing would be to turn the PWNA intoa marketing advantage. Right now, since no one knows about the organization there is no marketing advantage to being a member. Just about everything else can be learned or obtained by other methods.
So the question is, how doyou turn it into a marketing advantage?


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[David Saulque]

I have written two replies and have deleted both because I have nothing more to add. This BB gives me all the trade information I need. Dan Flynn has developed a site that PWNA only wished for. This site is the key to any new reginal program, as far as I am cocerned.

David



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[Ron Musgraves]

Sorry you feel that way Dave; I had conversation with you that you were tired of the same old issues. The fundamentals of pressure washing, you made comments that you were bored with the same old questions. Know your content with the same questions on the board. Take nothing from the bb it is needed. Meeting face to face has a higher value than rambling the same old questions and answers. This board is looser than it was and that’s what makes it great. Dave I would like if you would reconsider you place maybe not now but in the future, you are a very professional guy and it would be great to have you on board.

Dave if the bb gives you all you need that’s great, I need more I want the trade to advance in the next 20 yrs. In 20 yrs. I have seen the trade advance very little compared to other types of businesses or trades.


It will be a great opportunity to meet and share ideas with one another. When I get the answers from pwna and the rest of the bb we will set a date and place.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

 

[David Saulque]

Ron

You didn't READ what I said-As compared to PWNA. This BB could be a center stone to regional groups. This BB gives more than PWNA-what else at this time do we have to compare.

David

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[Ron Musgraves]

great then,i thought i was right, i mean wrong, oh well glad to have you as a supporter. sorry for the mis-understanding. i would like to hear your thought or at least and idea of what you could do with the hood cleaning seminar. maybe talk about the fundamentals of getting started and what is reguired. i know myself i have wanted to or thought i have wanted to expand into hoods.

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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash

 

[Jon]

Ron,

As far as being a speaker I have just one little requirement, when it comes time for question and answer someone needs to be next to me to repeat the question to me, be it my wife or another person.

<FONT size="4"><FONT face="Tahoma"><FONT COLOR="Blue">Kendra</FONT c></FONT f></FONT s> said it all so nothing to add.

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Jon Fleischer
Oasis Pressure Cleaning
(909) 792-2247
Fax (909) 792-5633

 

[Jim&Shirley]

WE think that the pwna could be great for everyone here
and else where thats in to p.w. We think
they should support this board ,or at the very least advertise,we never heard of pwna till we came on this board and we are sure there are others who didn't either,we are already members of the better business bureau $260.00 yr and are fixing to join chambers of commerces, these are well know
organizations that stand out,and help you and your business grow,we think paying another 250.00 is just to exspense for us and anyone just starting out, it should be around 125.00 first yr to try out and then maybe 250.00 when you can decide if its worth being a member. From what we have found about the pwna, I believe it is kind of like a little child...has alot of growing up to do before it will be of a great benefit to us. I do believe any orginization is only as good as its members to an extent. The higher ups at the orginization must have good listening skills and good follow thru. As of right now we have not seen this out of the pwna. Lets face it...if they were that great you would find advertisements for the pwna everywhere they sell pressure washers and supplies but that just isn't happening. We do believe that apparantely there is some conflict of interest involved in the pwna and until that can be addressed and corrected then I don't feel it will be as great an orginization as the original founders had hoped it would be for our profession.

Just our thoughts and we really don't mean to offend anyone. Maybe our thoughts and apparently the thoughts of a lot of others will influence the higher up to change. If and when the pwna can offer my company something more substantial than a sticker I will reconsider joining.

Jim & Shirley

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[Ethan]

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Hey Guys, (and Gals)

I just wanted to throw my two cents into this conversation about the PWNA and Delco Cleaning Systems of Forth Worth.

Our company has exhibited in the past three PWNA expos and each time Delco has done very little in any show. They never bring equipment or wash mats or chemicals or ... Show they really do not take advantage of there position in my opinion. In fact, they take and pay for (what I've been told) a 10' x 10' booth and put up three poster boards with pictures of there trailers and thats it.


I know Delco started the PWNA and Micheal Hinderliter is the president, so what... You know what that means... He has to take your call, He has to listen to what to YOU have to say... Call him. Tell him what you want and expect from PWNA.

Andrew Avery is the director of the PWNA and he is in his office from 8-5 EST&gt; His # is 1-301-941-1064 Call him, let him know what you want. His email is avery@pwna.org write to him and tell him what you think.

I talked AR pumps into taking a booth in last weeks show and spoke with those guys today and they now plan to attend every show from here on out. Skip Markowitz from EDI in NJ is working on CAT pumps to attend the next show. Other guys like Wick Manufacturing who make the little Sucker are now attending every show. Vader has been there every year,(just ask the guy in Baltimore who drove the BMW, if you were in Baltimore you would know what I'm refering too).


But it's guys like you who have to take the time to ask your suppliers why they are not out there supporting you at these show and seminars.

Why isn't ZEP there to meet you guys face to face and discuss Chemical applications with you.

How many of you buy ZEP products?

Why isn't Beckett Burners there to discuss twelve volt burner problems... (I'm working on that one myself)

Call Beckett, email them, Ride there butts... That's what I've been doing.

Why doesn't C-tech who owns Landa, Hotsy, Rhino, Tuff, and the list goes on take one little bity 10' x 10' booth to support the proffesinals in this biz who use there equipment...

Why isn't the EPA at the show to discuss environmental concerns?

Call those guys...

I 100% agree with Kendra on her post. Provide you guys with an opportunity to see what the PWNA is all about before you join. GIVE AWAY A DAY PASS TO PROSPECTIVE MEMBERS.

Arrange discounts with your suppliers on the things you buy... That's what other associations do for you.

Ceta has a freight discount with several major freight companies.


I will continue to support the PWNA and it's members as long as they are MAKING AN EFFORT TO ADVANCE OUR INDUSTRY.

One last thought, instead of posting one response on a bbs take the time to write one letter to lets say Beckett Burners to get them to participate in the next PWNA technical seminar in pittsburgh, pa .

I'll come back in the AM with thier Contact info. The last time I looked there was over 460 people on this board alone. I'd almost bet we wouldn't get 46 letters.(Challenge)

If you happen to agree post a thumbs up.


Ethan


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Ethan
Mobile Systems Inc.

 

[Jim&Shirley]

Hey Ethan.
We TOTALLY Agree and hopefuly we can all make a Difference.

JIM & SHIRLEY

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[Ethan]

Hey guys, Here is the info I promised.

R.W. Beckett
P.O. Box 1289
Elyria, OH. 44036-1289

ATTN: Charles Tibboles

This is the man with the plan.

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Ethan
Mobile Systems Inc.

 

[Glenn]

Ethan,
The PWNA needs guys like you on the board of directors, we need you or at least a representative from this board on that board to keep us in the loop, if you know what I mean. We all should hold nominations and support at least 1 member of this board every time they hold elections. I think they elect 3 each year? If we shot gun our votes, our member would be guaranteed a position.
Glenn

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"Hmmm, If everyone has a photographic memory... mine must be out of film."

 

[Ron Musgraves]

The pwna will not support any regional chapters, this was what I was told. They have done that and they will not try it again because pw people don’t want it. Oh well, even though I’m not going to support their cause not knowing what their cause even is.


I truly believe that those members that want to try to get someone elected to make some changes I would sign up and support their effort. The person in my mind would need to be a strong individual with a plan of attack.

It a shame that they do not think w need regional help. The west coast guys don’t have any support.

They are 489 members strong with 33 national vendors as member also.

I’m starting to believe that this bb is offering more than any organization is at this time. That’s a great thing but in reality it is weak. Their should be more to offer at this stage of the game.


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Ron Marshal Phoenix AZ
1-888-fleetwash