Do we really need a Organization ? (poll)

[Scott Stone]

LOL... Man you just can't take the heat in the kitchen Scott...LOL

Dude, I was raised in heat. I just try not to associate with delusional people.

 

[Clean County]

I just try not to associate with delusional people.

We finally agree on something...

 

[Tony Evans]

Common Tony...it cost me a whopping $45 bucks to attend..lol. I didn't know you look so negatively towards Perry Tait who is such a likable person.... So I guess you have personal issues with some of these guys....such is life.. I don't think the UAMCC is that bad of an org.. I just don't promote it to anyone who may ask me about it because of my mine & my wife's lifetime ban(our company is banned and since she's the majority owner of it that makes her banned) until our ban is lifted(I was told it never will be because of the hatred this person has towards us)

Also you know as well as I do that your President is a Vendor. Robert Hinderliter who created the UAMCC way before you probably even heard about them caught alot of flak because he was also a vendor. When I was involved the motto was "Contractors for contractors" but history here has repeated itself. Do I care? Of course not. It's a flaw in Roberts not for profit system. You call the PWRA distributor org.. should we call the UAMCC a vendor org then?

Interesting, John. I wonder how those who paid full price would feel about you getting a discounted fee?
As for Perry being likeable, most confidence men are. It's how they operate.

 

[Clean County]

Interesting, John. I wonder how those who paid full price would feel about you getting a discounted fee?
As for Perry being likeable, most confidence men are. It's how they operate.[/QUOTEcaughtot in very early Tony. Some guys already booked themselves for next yrs PWRA convention. If you or anyone else wants a discount for next yrs PWRA "Ginormous" event look for their "Early Bird" specials. Keep in mind the PWRA events aren't about learning how to spray water. There's plenty of conventions(such as yours) & Roundtables that do that. The PWRA events are more geared towards helping people become or stay successful with their business....& as Thad Eckoff stated... "If people think they can't afford to go to a PWRA event....they should look at it like this....THEY CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO GO!!"

Anyway enjoy your Convention. Maybe I'll cya there one day if your org ever decides to lift my wife & my Lifetime bans fom there..

 

[Tony Evans]

John until you learn to stop stirring up garbage with quality contractors like Scott, Doug, and Ron you simply aren't welcome in the UAMCC.

 

[Tony Evans]

If you're quoting Thad I know you are delusional. He's one of the worst people I've ever had dealings with.

 

[Clean County]

If you're quoting Thad I know you are delusional. He's one of the worst people I've ever had dealings with.

Man it seems like you have so many problems with good people. Let me guess you have problems with Chris Lambridinis also..lol

Lighten up Tony life is to short to be angry all the time. Go to your org event & have a beer or whatever. Sounds like your wound to tight brother.

 

[Tony Evans]

Looks like you travel in bad circles, John. Watch your back

 

[Clean County]

Looks like you travel in bad circles, John.. Watch your back

No worry Tony...I only hang with the best including in that is some UAMCC guys. I don't discriminate if a guy wants to belong to an org I can't support at this time for obvious reasons.

Whatever org a guy wants to join doesn't make him a bad guy because some others don't care for that org. You should think about that one yourself or you'll stay angry towards some good hard working contractors who just happened to be PWRA guys. Its all good in my book. Have a good weekend.

 

[Tony Evans]

I'm not angry, John. I'm a realist. That means I deal with people based on how they've treated me and those I trust. I learned from first hand experience what the founders of the PWRA and their friends are all about and won't put myself in that position again.
My business and family are something I need to lighten up about. As far as I'm concerned your sticking up for them puts you in the category of untrustworthy.

 

[Clean County]

I'm not angry, John. I'm a realist. That means I deal with people based on how they've treated me and those I trust. I learned from first past experience what the founders of the PWRA and their friends are all about and won't put myself in that position again.
My business and family are something I need to lighten up about. As far as I'm concerned your sticking up for them puts you in the category of untrustworthy.

Sorry to hear that Tony. These guys never wronged me, judge me or banned anyone as far as I know. You may have a problem with at most 3-4 guys in there from your past but all the other guys I'm sure there is no problem with you. You also have options here which in this Industry is always a good thing. You can join the PWRA or not but you do have options. Me & my company which includes my wife is on a lifetime ban from your President. He said he will never allow that to changed as long as he's involved with the UAMCC so I have ZERO options here. As for Scott Stone I don't really know or pretend to know what's really bothering him. Ron on the other hand called me last week while I was on a jobsite so we still connect thru all the horseshiz....

 

[Scott Stone]

Maybe you could go back on your unprovoked attacks on me, mocking what I do at every turn. Eventually that would tend to rub anyone the wrong way. If you are too intellectually challenged to see it, you probably are wasting good breathing air.

 

[Clean County]

Maybe you could go back on your unprovoked attacks on me, mocking what I do at every turn. Eventually that would tend to rub anyone the wrong way. If you are too intellectually challenged to see it, you probably are wasting good breathing air.

It you ever raise your intellect level we'll talk but until then it sure looks like your delusional thinking that anything here revolves around you which is par for the course with you over the years. Get over yourself already...

 

[Tony Evans]

You know John, I think Scott has your number. I've watched your antics over the last few years, seen the people you align yourself with, and frankly you have shown that you have no place on forums where serious contractors truly try to help others.

 

[Clean County]

You know John, I think Scott has your number. I've watched your antics over the last few years, seen the people you align yourself with, and frankly you have shown that you have no place on forums where serious contractors truly try to help others.

Your right Tony that Scott does have my number but he likes to keep this on the net. Your a bit new to the game here so I'll fill you in on something just for an FYI -Not only did I admin the UAMCC bulletin board for a year I was also on their Convention committe that turned out to be still the largest & most successful UAMCC Convention to date. If you truly believe your remark about I had no place on forums where contractors truly try to help others then your pretty much in contradiction to what the UAMCC stands for. So of course I just gave you the facts...so believe what you want.

 

[Scott Stone]

It you ever raise your intellect level we'll talk but until then it sure looks like your delusional thinking that anything here revolves around you which is par for the course with you over the years. Get over yourself

Nope, I am pretty well grounded. I am still amazed that people have any desire to hear me speak. I also realize that I am a pretty darn fortunate person in my life. Perhaps you need to understand what jealousy and passive aggressive behaviors are, and how they can consume you.

 

[Clean County]

Nope, I am pretty well grounded. I am still amazed that people have any desire to hear me speak. I also realize that I am a pretty darn fortunate person in my life. Perhaps you need to understand what jealousy and passive aggressive behaviors are, and how they can consume you.

You worry to much. Lol.. You should just let it go and move on...

 

[Tony Evans]

John, you are talking about the Hinderliter UAMCC. That is nothing like the org now.
You really don't know what the UAMCC stands for. As an org we don't want everyone to join. We only want the kind of contractors that are looking to join to help others not help themselves or stroke their egos like you do.

 

[Clean County]

John, you are talking about the Hinderliter UAMCC. That is nothing like the org now.
You really don't know what the UAMCC stands for. As an org we don't want everyone to join. We only want the kind of contractors that are looking to join to help others not help themselves or stroke their egos like you do.

Your wrong again Tony about the history there but that's OK. It was Carlos Gonzales who ran the org then. At least your starting to learn here about the History of your org. Maybe your Convention will surpass the one we did but I was proud to serve with those guys then. As for the Ego remark..if it strokes your Ego to put others down...have fun.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

Heres the real Difference in what Carlos and the other TT Created, the org is owned and operated by its members. Hinderliter's have lead a path of private orgs with privately owned certification programs. The money all funnels into them not to the contractors and customers they serve. These private certifications mean nothing to anyone, with the UAMCC as the national Non profit we now have a real certification program that is not a money grab for individuals.

Mike Hinderliter Bought the Phil Akland with Daryl, Daryl Let his interest go years ago. Now I would assume he owns it all by himself. Do you realize how ridiculous and useless this is?

This is the reasons the industry has all the trouble it has. Poor choices and un-educated people running things they pretend to understand and know about. Truthfully they live of Pipeline royalties masking the real failure of there broke businesses.

Well the truth hurts sometimes but John you will never tell me the truth because you do not know the truth.

Carlos resurrected the dead for profit UAMCC, it was one never really formed legally that we can find. No financial nothing but a trade mark created 2006. Have you ever though about the insult to all the hard working people that made this a great org. Saying Robert was the creator is a joke. The Failure UAMCC was a profit attempt like IKECA, PWNA & Any others opened in the past that open and closed on a regular basis every couple of years.

Heres the truth, Robert was Back in the PWNA. He no longer needed the UAMCC and wanted the UAMCC to still exist likely so he could have you claim credit for him of the success. The truth is Carlos an the TT teams UAMCC was created from Scratch, there was nothing but the name was all Robert Signed over, it took another 4 or 5 years to pry the Website from there hands.

Need I remind you when Robert & Mike Shut down the national Associations Owned Privately PWNA website. They Destroyed the industry Yet again hurting Fellow contractors and members of this industry.

You See John in a Real national Not for profit no one can own the property. No one can take there ball and run home.

Alls we built in the past was hard feelings between people and burning bridges all at the hands of a couple men. Now we have a real association, owned and operated by the members.

Trust me John your Banned on the bbs unanimous with this current BOD. The Men who Represent the Members, this is the way the org works.

Stop saying your banned from the org, the BOD established a rule that anyone who resigns needs to write a re-instantment letter. You resigned and if you want back in you have to write a letter to re-instate. We did this for a reasonable purpose, yes to keep people who are trouble makers out, and if someone made a mistake they would have a opportunity to correct there actions.

John really all this is way behind us, but when you want to re-call history i know the history. Long before you ever became a contractor.

My Rant for the rest of YEAR